Cde Linda, Pulling in unison and pushing in one direction provides us an opportunity to redirect the party. I concur with your remarks.
Regards. Matome Mashao Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Linda Ndebele" <kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:41:38 To: <payco@googlegroups.com>; Mbulelo Raymond<mrfihl...@gmail.com> Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: <d...@pac.org.za>; <bulanng...@gmail.com>; MoAfrica wa Azania<moafr...@vodamail.co.za>; Keith Moyce<ke...@nyaleti.co.za>; Malinge Plaatjie<malingeplaat...@yahoo.com>; Lucas Masemola<masemola.b...@gmail.com>; m...@pac.org.za<m...@pac.org.za>; karabo mokgojwa<km.mokgo...@gmail.com>; pasmapresid...@gmail.com<pasmapresid...@gmail.com>; Solly Hlubi<hlubi.so...@gmail.com>; danielmamony...@gmail.com<danielmamony...@gmail.com>; KHOISAN SONTI<khoi.so...@gmail.com>; Cape<paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>; Siyabulela Ndamane<sndam...@gmail.com>; Babalwa Malawu<babesmal...@gmail.com>; nol...@nactu.org.za<nol...@nactu.org.za>; zun...@tut.ac.za<zun...@tut.ac.za>; legalu...@sacwu.co.za<legalu...@sacwu.co.za>; <manaopane7...@nokiamail.com>; clementmar...@yahoo.com<clementmar...@yahoo.com>; kgothatso sithole<kgothatso.sith...@yahoo.com>; gemoanako...@webmail.co.za<gemoanako...@webmail.co.za>; nnyq...@gmail.com<nnyq...@gmail.com>; sindi mbele<jntab...@gmail.com>; tsatsawani chauke<tkchauke.cha...@gmail.com>; <zozoj...@yahoo.com>; Dimakatso Moletsane<bafana.phu...@hotmail.com>; Maciej Radzio<rad...@gmail.com>; Mofihli Likotsi<urf....@gmail.com>; Excellent Rikhotso<excellentrikho...@gmail.com>; SELLO IRVIN LESABANE<scal...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] The Y Road Greetings cde Matome, Wish to acknowledge and appreciate your efforts in repositioning and rebuilding our movement. We have witnessed your selfless efforts crisscrossing the country in an attempt to develop the Programme of Action. Some of us are convinced that we have no other option but taking Left. We cannot lead our people to emancipation if we follow ANC/DA neo-liberal agenda, the right path of Y. We need to reposition ourselves and PAC if we have to succeed in this difficult route we seek to endevour. Rest assured son of the soil we are with you all the way. Izwe lethu! Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: "matome" <mmas...@webmail.co.za> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:14:48 To: <payco@googlegroups.com>; Mbulelo Raymond<mrfihl...@gmail.com> Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: <d...@pac.org.za>; <bulanng...@gmail.com>; MoAfrica wa Azania<moafr...@vodamail.co.za>; Keith Moyce<ke...@nyaleti.co.za>; Malinge Plaatjie<malingeplaat...@yahoo.com>; Lucas Masemola<masemola.b...@gmail.com>; m...@pac.org.za<m...@pac.org.za>; karabo mokgojwa<km.mokgo...@gmail.com>; pasmapresid...@gmail.com<pasmapresid...@gmail.com>; Solly Hlubi<hlubi.so...@gmail.com>; danielmamony...@gmail.com<danielmamony...@gmail.com>; KHOISAN SONTI<khoi.so...@gmail.com>; Cape<paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>; Siyabulela Ndamane<sndam...@gmail.com>; Babalwa Malawu<babesmal...@gmail.com>; nol...@nactu.org.za<nol...@nactu.org.za>; zun...@tut.ac.za<zun...@tut.ac.za>; legalu...@sacwu.co.za<legalu...@sacwu.co.za>; <manaopane7...@nokiamail.com>; clementmar...@yahoo.com<clementmar...@yahoo.com>; kgothatso sithole<kgothatso.sith...@yahoo.com>; gemoanako...@webmail.co.za<gemoanako...@webmail.co.za>; nnyq...@gmail.com<nnyq...@gmail.com>; sindi mbele<jntab...@gmail.com>; tsatsawani chauke<tkchauke.cha...@gmail.com>; <zozoj...@yahoo.com>; Dimakatso Moletsane<bafana.phu...@hotmail.com>; Maciej Radzio<rad...@gmail.com>; Mofihli Likotsi<urf....@gmail.com>; Excellent Rikhotso<excellentrikho...@gmail.com>; SELLO IRVIN LESABANE<scal...@hotmail.com> Subject: [PAYCO] The Y Road Attention: Members and Supporters of the PACAugust 2014 Re:The Y Road - Which way to go? During the month of July I extended an invitation to our cadres, leaders, members and supporters for an effort at constructing a revolutionary program of action in leading our people to a bloody engagement with the system and then to prosperity. I now wish to share the lessons picked along the way so far in executing this work. You will see from the update below that the extent of the rot and the challenges ahead cannot be resolved through simple answers. You will also see for yourself from this brief that the suggestion that the party is teetering on the brink of total collapse is not without justification, let alone the suggestion that the party is distant from the masses of our people. First of all I wish to thank all of our members and cadres who took time to engage in the process of developing a program of action. I and all of my comrades are sincerely indebted to you in ways words cannot express sufficiently. I will keep this brief as pointed and brief as is possible to maintain brevity and sufficient party confidentiality and or integrity. This I will do without detracting from the thrust of the brief, painful as it may be to all of us. In the end the conclusive outcome of this brief is a decision we need to make, that being - Which way do we go on the Y Road? This is important because it is my sincerest view that we are at the Y intersection where we need to make one call about which part of the Y Road we pursue. This will become clearer as you read through this brief, and I do thank you in advance for taking the time to engage and perhaps offer your input and advice. The following are my very painful findings resulting from my visits and engagement on the Program of Action design: The promise of money and the mini exchange of it threaten the independence of our members, both young and old. A few within our ranks, who have some access to money, have resorted to its use in the manipulation of our members and cadres to a point of denying them the basic right to think. As I travelled around the country, it became evident that many of our members did not have the right to engage with myself or any other member unless and until they have the clearance and permission to do so from the one member or a group that wields money power. I would have had no qualms if this money group had the competence or will to drive the ship forward. The truth is that they don't have the competence nor the will to drive the ship hence their insecurity and the control of our members through money power. This money group has mastered the art of not just bussing people to conferences but also of understanding the dire state of our members. The reality is that suffering and poverty is deeply punitive. While many of our members have sufficient intelligence and grounding to appreciate what the party needs, their hands are tied. The fact of the matter is that like all of us they need to eat, need a shelter, and other basic amenities. The money group has picked up this suffering of our members and they use it to lynch our organization. Many of our members would not even meet you unless the money group says they should do so, and many times if they meet you, they express views that are not of their own make. They have been reduced to shells echoing the master's voice, stripped of their independence and the ability to engage. This phenomenon is of-course not just within the party; it applies to the relationship between members of the public and the government too. It too manifests in the party in the context I seek to point out. Many of our young comrades and the so-called middle class, are held hostage by this money group. It provides them crumbs enough to survive and to keep them tools for their cause. When they have to travel and or eat the money group provides the poisoned help in the understanding that in doing so they hold our members captive, denying them the right to think. In order to salvage the party and place it in the hands of the revolutionary fraction of our movement, concerted efforts are required to extricate a good number of our members whose views are stunted and or sponsored by the money group. Another lesson picked up along the way was that many of our cadres with potential to rise have been beaten to the highest levels of fear and despondency. I do not blame this group. Many times they have been disappointed by the party, having given their all and every. While they desire and support the cause of the revolution, they are fearful of yet another disappointment. Their commitment is half-hearted preferring largely to quietly send messages of encouragement than themselves get involved or muddied in the work of a rebuilding program. Painful as it is I understand this group and their feeling. They have jobs to lose, incomes to lose, comfort to forgo, and they ask themselves - is it worth it. We indeed must make it worth their while to give up these false crumbs privileges. We need to inspire them by offering them a party that is steeped in revolution and unwavering in its confrontation with the system and its handlers. It is a challenge we must meet. Even myself as I travelled across the country that little whisper repeatedly visited me - "is it worth it or shouldn't you just live your life". In fact one comrade asked me the same question expressly whether it was worth it risking 'my money' attempting to do work for this party. I have to repeatedly hear this whisper even in my sleep. It is constant, I believe, in many of us. Then there is another group who require work and a rebaptism. This group believes that our cause is parliament, councils and orderliness. They despise any talk of revolution, castigating any such talk as unprofessional and mad. This group is hard at work to turn the party into some reasonable vehicle for accumulation and comfort. They disguise through sloganeering when in fact they believe in the system and not in its collapse and destruction. Then there is a group, a comrade of mine categorized as the 'last man standing'. This group amidst all the challenges believes in the party, associate with it openly, work within communities, and above all still believe in the destruction of the system through a revolutionary upsurge. I have to add that this group is small, and I admire and subscribe to their line of thought. It is on this group that we must build and or rebuild a people's revolutionary party. A party founded on madness, unreasonableness and chaos in challenge of the system and all its institutions. Another interesting group is the hurt and jilted. These ones have turned their imaginations into reality. Their life is a make-belief. In the midst of their pain they have found other persons and parties in whom they see the PAC. They have become cheer boys and girls of these parties as a way to soothe their pain, the pain of losing a vehicle of Pan Africanism. For instance, they see the party in Mbeki, in EFF, and many other individuals. I would not castigate them as this is in fact a cry for a home. Some have joined other establishments owing to this make-belief phenomenon. The above are the painful observations I came to. I can tell you that talk is cheap, work is not. In every way imaginable. These are observations not made from a desk-top but from engaging in hard practical work on the development of a program of action for our people through a party. This brings me to the theme of my submission - The Y Road. We must define our mission, live by it and see it to success along with the masses of our people. We are at the Y intersection. We have three options as symbolized by the letter Y: The one option is to walk back on the Y road, step off into oblivion or reorganization in another form in order to pursue the party's revolutionary agenda and or another agenda. In doing this we will need sincerity and extreme levels of honesty to determine whether or not the damage done on the party is such that it can no longer muster enough courage to carry the people's mandate. The other option is to walk to the right on the Y road, choosing accommodation and reasonableness with the systems and all its institutions. This is the gentlemanish approach, the nice-nice path walking within the system. This path would not upset the system, and it is content with the fact that we are present whether big or small, whether revolutionary or not. The other path is the left of the Y road. This road is riddled with potholes. Its defining character and form is a bloody engagement with the system. It entails a direct confrontation of the system, the ruling elite and all their institutions. On this path many will die, many will be tortured and incarcerated, many will starve, and the country will go ablaze. Comfort will be lost and hardship will be the order of the day. Assassinations will rule, the oppressive laws will be undermined. The sky will turn pale, oxygen polluted by the fire power of both the enemy and the people. Many of us will not live to see the end victory. But victory is certain, however long it will take. This is the path of honor and service to our people. It is a revolution. I have made my choice. It is the left of the Y Road that I want to take. It is the left of the Y Road that informs the Program of Action I am putting forward for consideration by our members and cadres alike. Our mission is the abolition of a system of deceit and robbery. A system that is based on the suffocation of the many by the few. It is a path that must restore an African as a standing and confident participant in the community of nations. It is a path that can and must abolish class subjugation and a class mode of operation in our society. This path must supersede our fears and organizational trappings. Like all revolutions, this path has no guarantees, except a guarantee of honor in life or death. I decided, following my visit and travels to share this so that there is no ambiguity on what the intentions are, and the line of march. This will also help everybody when inter-phasing with our program of action to understand our premise and outlook. I again, wish to sincerely thank you, for your contributions in whatever form, and do hereby invite all of us to join the left of the Y Road. The IOTA Program is the way!! Matome Mashao - 084 709 2285 Sent from my BlackBerry(R) -----Original Message----- From: "'Mawethu Sidzamba' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress" <payco@googlegroups.com> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 02:42:54 To: Mbulelo Raymond<mrfihl...@gmail.com>; <payco@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: <d...@pac.org.za>; <bulanng...@gmail.com>; MoAfrica wa Azania<moafr...@vodamail.co.za>; Keith Moyce<ke...@nyaleti.co.za>; Malinge Plaatjie<malingeplaat...@yahoo.com>; Lucas Masemola<masemola.b...@gmail.com>; m...@pac.org.za<m...@pac.org.za>; karabo mokgojwa<km.mokgo...@gmail.com>; pasmapresid...@gmail.com<pasmapresid...@gmail.com>; Solly Hlubi<hlubi.so...@gmail.com>; danielmamony...@gmail.com<danielmamony...@gmail.com>; KHOISAN SONTI<khoi.so...@gmail.com>; Cape<paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>; Siyabulela Ndamane<sndam...@gmail.com>; <payco@googlegroups.com>; Babalwa Malawu<babesmal...@gmail.com>; nol...@nactu.org.za<nol...@nactu.org.za>; zun...@tut.ac.za<zun...@tut.ac.za>; legalu...@sacwu.co.za<legalu...@sacwu.co.za>; <manaopane7...@nokiamail.com>; clementmar...@yahoo.com<clementmar...@yahoo.com>; kgothatso sithole<kgothatso.sith...@yahoo.com>; gemoanako...@webmail.co.za<gemoanako...@webmail.co.za>; nnyq...@gmail.com<nnyq...@gmail.com>; sindi mbele<jntab...@gmail.com>; tsatsawani chauke<tkchauke.cha...@gmail.com>; <zozoj...@yahoo.com>; Dimakatso Moletsane<bafana.phu...@hotmail.com>; Maciej Radzio<rad...@gmail.com>; Mofihli Likotsi<urf....@gmail.com>; Excellent Rikhotso<excellentrikho...@gmail.com>; SELLO IRVIN LESABANE<scal...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Re: blame game same as pretending to be normal is not helping Cde Linda We heed your call and we have done everything possible to air views on this forum,brilliant suggestions were made, some discussions went well and some not ,some are ignored understandably because there is nothing that actually binds everyone to participate,motivation is another story. There is also hardly a time where we reflect on an event of recency where we could all or most of us be located at the same time and this has become our sole "meeting point" to either vent,gloat,cheerlead one another almost to a state of monotony.We always fancifully speak,which we should, of a programme of action which seeks to unite the movement and whose timing is always on an uncertain future date. While an exchange of ideas is key and welcome, theorising is not all we can offer. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 8/21/14, Linda Ndebele <kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za> wrote: Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Re: blame game same as pretending to be normal is not helping To: "Mbulelo Raymond" <mrfihl...@gmail.com> Cc: d...@pac.org.za, bulanng...@gmail.com, "MoAfrica wa Azania" <moafr...@vodamail.co.za>, "Keith Moyce" <ke...@nyaleti.co.za>, "Malinge Plaatjie" <malingeplaat...@yahoo.com>, "Lucas Masemola" <masemola.b...@gmail.com>, "m...@pac.org.za" <m...@pac.org.za>, "karabo mokgojwa" <km.mokgo...@gmail.com>, "pasmapresid...@gmail.com" <pasmapresid...@gmail.com>, "Solly Hlubi" <hlubi.so...@gmail.com>, "danielmamony...@gmail.com" <danielmamony...@gmail.com>, "KHOISAN SONTI" <khoi.so...@gmail.com>, "Cape" <paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>, "Siyabulela Ndamane" <sndam...@gmail.com>, payco@googlegroups.com, "Babalwa Malawu" <babesmal...@gmail.com>, "nol...@nactu.org.za" <nol...@nactu.org.za>, "zun...@tut.ac.za" <zun...@tut.ac.za>, "legalu...@sacwu.co.za" <legalu...@sacwu.co.za>, manaopane7...@nokiamail.com, "clementmar...@yahoo.com" <clementmar...@yahoo.com>, "kgothatso sithole" <kgothatso.sith...@yahoo.com>, "gemoanako...@webmail.co.za" <gemoanako...@webmail.co.za>, "nnyq...@gmail.com" <nnyq...@gmail.com>, "sindi mbele" <jntab...@gmail.com>, "tsatsawani chauke" <tkchauke.cha...@gmail.com>, zozoj...@yahoo.com, "Dimakatso Moletsane" <bafana.phu...@hotmail.com>, "Maciej Radzio" <rad...@gmail.com>, "Mofihli Likotsi" <urf....@gmail.com>, "Excellent Rikhotso" <excellentrikho...@gmail.com>, "SELLO IRVIN LESABANE" <scal...@hotmail.com> Date: Thursday, August 21, 2014, 10:34 AM Comrades, My observation is that we are loosing hope in the PAC and in efforts to resuscitate it. I hardly see any engagement and possible strategies to get the party right. Little engagement has come forth to interrogate submissions made by cde's Matome Mashao, Nkrumah Kgagudi, Siya Ndamane and cde Ndima.We can't comrades give up on this gigantic movement. History will judge us harshly if we don't play our role in getting our movement right in our forward march to liberate our land and our people.Asingapheli amandla dear comrades.Izwe lethu!Kwame NdebeleSent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!From: Mbulelo Raymond <mrfihl...@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 18:08:34 +0200To: <kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za>Cc: <d...@pac.org.za>; <bulanng...@gmail.com>; MoAfrica wa Azania<moafr...@vodamail.co.za>; Keith Moyce<ke...@nyaleti.co.za>; Malinge Plaatjie<malingeplaat...@yahoo.com>; Lucas Masemola<masemola.b...@gmail.com>; m...@pac.org.za<m...@pac.org.za>; karabo mokgojwa<km.mokgo...@gmail.com>; pasmapresid...@gmail.com<pasmapresid...@gmail.com>; Solly Hlubi<hlubi.so...@gmail.com>; danielmamony...@gmail.com<danielmamony...@gmail.com>; KHOISAN SONTI<khoi.so...@gmail.com>; Cape<paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>; Siyabulela Ndamane<sndam...@gmail.com>; <payco@googlegroups.com>; Babalwa Malawu<babesmal...@gmail.com>; nol...@nactu.org.za<nol...@nactu.org.za>; zun...@tut.ac.za<zun...@tut.ac.za>; legalu...@sacwu.co.za<legalu...@sacwu.co.za>; <manaopane7...@nokiamail.com>; clementmar...@yahoo.com<clementmar...@yahoo.com>; kgothatso sithole<kgothatso.sith...@yahoo.com>; gemoanako...@webmail.co.za<gemoanako...@webmail.co.za>; nnyq...@gmail.com<nnyq...@gmail.com>; sindi mbele<jntab...@gmail.com>; tsatsawani chauke<tkchauke.cha...@gmail.com>; <zozoj...@yahoo.com>; Dimakatso Moletsane<bafana.phu...@hotmail.com>; Maciej Radzio<rad...@gmail.com>; Mofihli Likotsi<urf....@gmail.com>; Excellent Rikhotso<excellentrikho...@gmail.com>; SELLO IRVIN LESABANE<scal...@hotmail.com>; Lucas Mmola<lucasmmol...@gmail.com>Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Re: blame game same as pretending to be normal is not helpingSone of the soil, these questions you are raising are fundamental. I wish the distribution could be wide enough to reach every PAC member. These are questions that must be asked and answered in every PAC gathering, whether at branch, regional, provincial and national levels. Thank you poqo Fihla On 18 Aug 2014 4:45 PM, "Linda Ndebele" <kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za> wrote: Greetings comrades, The critical questions we must all respond to, is how do we get PAC right? How do we collectively own up to our contribution to the current state of the party? How do we unite PAC before uniting with EFF and other leftist parties? How do we rebuild the image of PAC and its structures? How do we make PAC relevant to our people? How do we eradicate factionalism without destroying this party? How do we utilize the cream of leadership we have produced over the years for the benefit of the party? How do we make parliamentary and councillor seats work for the party not against the party? How do we develop a uniting national Programme of Action? How do we utilize our diverse talents to harness our party? How do we get out of the leadership struggle maze? How do we position ourselves for state power? How do we propose to sell our policy positions to the masses of our people? How do we propose to be a vanguard of our people in their protestes and demonstrations against government? How do we plan to proactively deal with bread and butter issues confronting our people? How do we plan to partner with the trade union movement in their daily struggles? How do we reconcile differing factions within the party? These are some of the challenges I believe we must begin to speak to if we are really serious about rebuilding PAC. I am inviting robust debate in this regard. Izwe lethu! KwameSent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! 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We have maintained that the an inclusive PAC conference composed of all PAC Branches and members is crucial to resolve the prevailing political and organisational parallysis. The entire Butterworth elected NEC must report and account to members in an inclusive national conference of PAC aiming to forge Party Unity. We know thus far, that PAC branches and members were misled and again turned to fight against each, as the PAC disintegrate organisationally and become politically insignificant as matters stand today! Also, we have advocated inclusove regional and provincial conferences organised mainly to forge unity among PAC branches and members. To root out factionalism, we also advocated and urged that PAC member and branches should denounce and boycot meetings organised to deepen internal party feuding and drive factional interests. We urged PAC branches and members to unite and embrace PAC Constitution and Disciplinary code to to serve as the principled basis for unity and political work. Lastly, PAC branches and members should integrate their structures's political work in the daily struggles waged by African workers and their respective communities, so as to build PAC's mass based character on socialist programme! Generalisation has its own basic flaws, for it tends to combine genuine PAC members's omissions with deployed moles/agents, hence one has a serious difficulty with such an analysis and approach! Shango lashu Nkrumah On 8 Aug 2014 16:18, "Siyabulela Ndamane" <sndam...@gmail.com> wrote: My dear comrades,In my view the weakness of any decision taken in any platform is that if the majority supports it - it becomes the order of the day irrespective of whether it is correct or not . . . this is the unfortunate reality and this problem is not unique to the PAC it is the problem of decision making ! If I may take all the decisions and actions taken by the organization since unban todate, this unfortunate reality has happened ! What give effect to such decisions is that in the PAC those who differ with such a decision becomes despondent, withdraws from active political work and those who implement the decisions becomes vendettas in settling scores against those who opposed/differed on views. This weakness has bred ground for careerists and opportunists amongst ourselves within the ranks of the organ. . .off couse there are other contributing factors to the weaknesses of the organization.Between 1990 - 1996 intimidation was the tool used to force decisions in the Congress/Conference floor, the submission of some branch delegates to this intimidation was the sign of weaknesses on our part as individual persons and/or as branch representatives and branches themselves. I won't dwell much on the tangible facts of this argument most of you knows. . . e.g. the Revolutionary Watchdogs persistent criticism of the direction taken by the leadership did not sway the actions of the leadership - the decision to suspend armed-struggle was resisted then what - the pro and anti 1994 Elections chaos . . .with all the efforts to resist at the end of the day the leadership and decisions remained whether we liked them or not ! and most of all there were branches who supported and accepted the decision of the leadership whether right or wrong. Yes, many people have since distanced themselves from the organization because of the above . . .but PAC remained though bleeding ! The current situation (2006 - 2014) is not different from [(1990 - 1996) and (1996 - 2006)], the organizational and administrative machinery has been collapsing - the decision making process and implementation of those decisions has not improved - the branches and structures became more weak and some non-existent ! Between 1996 - 2000 it was Mogoba-Makwetu problems; 2000 - 2003 internal NEC problems; 2003 - 2006 the 'Talibans' and internal NEC differences; 2006 - 2014 internal NEC problems, Letlapa the 2 decrees; PAC Convention (cape town) & INDABA (soweto), Butterworth Congress; explusion of Letlapa and councillors; internal NEC problems and Mphethi decree. All this happens with the support of some branches in both opposing directions. Each opposing side always has a reason to argue the correcteness of their view and actions . . .we have seen this since 1990 todate, therefore the blame-game is not helping ! One can raise all correct arguments in his/her world-view blaming the otherside - the otherside can equally do the same. For as long we don't come together and accept that our individual/collective views can win-or-lose an argument at a certain point in time and in all that the organization has to be kept intact focused to the ultimate objectives, otherwise we must just forget that the PAC will ever come right we will be stuck-up in perpetual infinite fighting blaming each other. I say this because those who have defeated argument today will not cooperate positively in implementation with those who won the argument and it goes on-and-on ! ! ! One would think PAC Constitution will help but reality is otherwise we have been in-and-out of the Courts we have a pending Appeals Case as we speak that will be heard on 12 November 2014; the opposing views will always interpret the constitution in the manner that suits their line of argument and the legal establishments takes even longer to rule over these constitutional disputes depending on how the legal arguments were presented. Understanding that going to courts was not a desirable action to all of us, but even those who did not take this route could not save the situation either, they become neutralists that attacks both opposing groupings without ever moving the organization forward. So at the end of the day we all lose the PAC lose because the opposing groupings will be on each others throat until structures collapse while those who claim to be neutral will be analysing and attacking those in the feud without real help in shaping the collapsing structure of the organization, I am not taking away the good, correct analysis and practical solutions that they suggest but they are always dismissed by those in the position of power in the administration as this grouping some of the time they are members not in goodstanding . . .if you are not in goodstanding it does not matter how good your views are they will remain in the pheriphery of the organization. There is a serious problem in the organization, I will deliberately not call it a 'crisis' as this may rub some of us the wrong way. We can't tolerate each other, we can't coexist with our different opinions, we are deliberate vendettas against each other, we are defiant in disregard of the organizational discipline, our fight is not yet open over contradicting ideo-political lines rather it is more on our individualistic egos and personal differences that we make them PAC problems, those who are in leadership sometimes deliberately sidelines, settle-scores with those who contested them, those who did not get leadership of their choice spend most of their time finding faults and undermine decisions of those in leadership. All organizations across the world always have groupings within with varying degrees of influence in the administrative direction of the organization. To have people with different opinions on how things should be is not unique to the PAC. All organizations have that in business, politics, community etc.. That should not amount to FACTIONALISM ! ! ! Yes sometimes we get agitated and angry on how things are done especially when the organizational erosion is happening at a high speed as we witness today. I therefore, kindly request all of us to acknowledge that there is a problem in the organization of PAC and without being vendettas & being defensive we must elect to act collectively in bringing stability, cohesion and direction in the PAC. Let us all come together as members of the organization put in place concrete measures that will ensure organizational problems faced by the PAC since 1959 are prevented from happening again that include the personal conduct of each member in rank-and-file and especially leadership as leaders should show some high level of maturity in person & politically and be the guide to the rank-and-file and the Nation at large. . . . .blaming each other at this juncture is not helping the PAC. Yes! many of us in the leadership and rank-and-file has done wrong things for so long in the name of building PAC, with the current state of affairs in the organization no-one can claim to have achieved any formidable progress in all our actions, the organization is bleeding. ONLY the anti PAC forces that can claim progress at this hour . . .as much as the anti PAC forces and infiltration to divert focus of the PAC will always be there, we have made the ground so fertile and easy for these forces to depeen divisions and expedite the total collapse of the organization of PAC. All of us we must accept differences, respect the need for criticism and self-criticism in the interest of the PAC and masses of our people.I am of a view that the need araise for the PAC to have all its members and structures fully subscribed and convene an INCLUSIVE Annual National Conference, should a need for the September 2014 Conference be postponed let it be postponed for later date and proper political work be done to ensure all structures (the aggrieved and the neutral) are on board. This particular Conference won't be the Electing Conference it must be the conference to correct all the wrongs and layout of a path that will take PAC to a proper electing National Conference with a clear Political Program to advance the struggle of our people. The mistake has been done whereby Congress/Conference it was in exclusion of other members who had hold a different opinion. In all fairness we can't repeat that again if we are really serious about the PAC and the struggle of the masses of our people. Amongst ourselves we have experienced old-guard and bright young minds who can be tasked to work as a collective doing that political work in bringing stability, cohesion in the organization with all structures on board (aggrieved and the neutral). You can ridicule and rubbish me on this point I won't lose any good night sleep but I am certain that 'ridicule' won't bring stability and cohesion in the PAC !"Revolutionaries are not afraid of their own mistakes. They have the political courage to admit them publicly, because doing so means committing oneself to correcting them and doing better." - Thomas Sankara The decision of majority is not always right, same as the leadership is not always right, to be withdrawn being aggrieved and being neutral does not help the situation either . . .masinyamezelane bantwana bomgquba ! 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