Good day Cdes This is almost quite a telling account where those who have muscled their way in shaping up the movement stand face to face with calling it quits. There definitely is a way of furthering a programme outside its own home. It is with regret that the answers to most of these questions asked by Cde Linda are in the affirmative or negative where applicable if we are to be honest with ourselves and with the crux of the revolution. When a movement abandons its own revolutionary programme people are most likely to identify it or something close to it elsewhere. In an attempt to oversimplify issues,currently the principles of the movement are more pronounced elsewhere that within the movement itself. Owing to political opportunism,some within our ranks despise any grouping that does a better job of what we purport to be doing, and some do laud any point of view that is closer to ours without giving regard where it comes from. We cannot acclaim ourselves the only contenders in delivering the people into total liberation.
Quitting a movement has a potential of being an anchor to new frontiers while it is also true that it can replicate the same dynamics you may be trying to avoid at your former political home. I do not by any means assume that the left branch of the Y intersection suggests an exodus,nor do I encourage it to stay and await better days, in fact we need to give steroids to the lot aligned with this direction because it dares to "redirect the movement". I however survey that we should assess our history within the movement with calculated suspcion that if we could not be a force to be reckoned with while inside the paradigm, we should expect no miracles outside the paradigm. The Africanist Movement was no mean membership within the Congress, it had a lot of cogency and this was noticeable both inside and outside the Congress as it was further afield.In the recent times, without debating their grades and merits,the EFF contigent was a remarkable body of opinion within the ANCYL and because of their caustic proportions even the dire disciplinary measures meted out against them had no destructive element against their political work,it even had more spin offs from the black consciousness and the youthful PAC proponents because they were no newcomers to agitation. Again this is no pilgrimage to the EFF but we have seen splits and splinters in the PAC supported by the same arguments as provided currently yet we haven't seen any offering of a different magnitude afterwards, so this method has proven itself, not once not twice, a non-event. I want to encourage the left branch of the Y intersection to use their talents (amongst other things) to overwhelm the condition currently prevalent in the Pan Africanist fold, they already have our support.So M-Afrika Matome,here is a tongue-in-cheek comment from myself,I am one of those who have a "political crush" on the EFF but I am not blinded by the fact that the 5 aims and objectives of the PAC are far from their scope of work. Open Palm Salute! -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/25/14, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Need for serious introspection: What to do to advance the struggle? To: payco@googlegroups.com, "'Mbulelo Raymond'" <mrfihl...@gmail.com> Cc: d...@pac.org.za, bulanng...@gmail.com, "'MoAfrica wa Azania'" <moafr...@vodamail.co.za>, "'Keith Moyce'" <ke...@nyaleti.co.za>, "'Malinge Plaatjie'" <malingeplaat...@yahoo.com>, "'Lucas Masemola'" <masemola.b...@gmail.com>, m...@pac.org.za, "'karabo mokgojwa'" <km.mokgo...@gmail.com>, pasmapresid...@gmail.com, "'Solly Hlubi'" <hlubi.so...@gmail.com>, danielmamony...@gmail.com, "'KHOISAN SONTI'" <khoi.so...@gmail.com>, "'Cape'" <paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>, "'Siyabulela Ndamane'" <sndam...@gmail.com>, "'Babalwa Malawu'" <babesmal...@gmail.com>, nol...@nactu.org.za, zun...@tut.ac.za, legalu...@sacwu.co.za, manaopane7...@nokiamail.com, clementmar...@yahoo.com, "'kgothatso sithole'" <kgothatso.sith...@yahoo.com>, gemoanako...@webmail.co.za, nnyq...@gmail.com, "'sindi mbele'" <jntab...@gmail.com>, "'tsatsawani chauke'" <tkchauke.cha...@gmail.com>, zozoj...@yahoo.com, "'Dimakatso Moletsane'" <bafana.phu...@hotmail.com>, "'Maciej Radzio'" <rad...@gmail.com>, "'Mofihli Likotsi'" <urf....@gmail.com>, "'Excellent Rikhotso'" <excellentrikho...@gmail.com>, "'SELLO IRVIN LESABANE'" <scal...@hotmail.com> Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 9:01 AM Comrade Linda The five (5) questions you raised haunts many within the party amidst the silence. Hopes about the party continues to be dashed and short lived by persisting misfortunes that overwhelms the party and its membership. However, one political reality is that the party is faced with a two line ideological struggle, one political thought seeks to re-organise the PAC along Marxist-Leninist traditions to assume and advance a mass based revolutionary programme rooted on socialist principles which places the African Workers as the only motive force to overthrow the capitalist and white supremacist system, that's has assumed a neo-colonial character. The other second political thought and practice is the one which seeks to subject the PAC into the current neo-liberal agenda, whereat the PAC serves as an extension and part of the neo-colonial system on the ground that the "freedom" fought for had been achieved and there is an African Government that must be supported. Sadly, the PAC today is led by proponents of the second political thought, hence in the Y-Analysis made by Cde Mashoa, he has has avidly pointed that " Many of our young comrades and the so-called middle class, are held hostage by this money group. It provides them crumbs enough to survive and to keep them tools for their cause." It is the money'ed group which we opted to describe and define as a comprador bourgeoisie which has successfully captured the PAC and it remains directly responsible for its current state of political and organisational disintegration aiming to destroy and kill from PAC's organisational practices the existence and presence of revolutionary practices. The ideological decay and the political rot thus organisational disintegration has unfortunately being cascaded to across all party structures including component structures, hence parallel structures. Equally, the very same comprador bourgeoisie are redefining the PAC to become an African nationalist capitalist political formation which will argue good governance slogan as is the case with other neo-liberal political parties. Constitutionally PAC has no NEC! Thus no-one and no group can claim to be constitutionally a PAC NEC! All the conferences organised by the now two feuding NEC groupings, namely Moloto's NEC grouping is organising September 2014 Conference while Mpthi NEC Grouping is organising December 2014 Conference, these conferences aims at consolidating factional group's interests than forging principled unity of PAC members and branches, hence our view that PAC branches and members should denounce such events and starts on building principled party unity starting from branch level to inclusive regional and provincial conferences. We must accept that PAC members had been successfully turned against each, in a manner never seen before! This occurrences was bound to occur, we have however underestimated its actual capacity of political and ideological destruction. They have achieved in less 24 months, what CIA, MOSSAD, MI0 and other instruments of imperialism combined failed to achieve, that is, total destruction of PAC! I suggest, if you will agree that your five questions, be subjected to an in-depth analysis and deliberations, for in these questions resides only primary question "What Is To Be Done? Above all the comprador bourgeoisie leading the three feuding NEC groupings will not subject themselves to any form of democratic centralism, they do not seek an orderly and normal PAC! PAC branches and Shango lashu Nkrumah -----Original Message----- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Ndebele Sent: 24 August 2014 08:08 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com; Mbulelo Raymond Cc: d...@pac.org.za; bulanng...@gmail.com; MoAfrica wa Azania; Keith Moyce; Malinge Plaatjie; Lucas Masemola; m...@pac.org.za; karabo mokgojwa; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; Solly Hlubi; danielmamony...@gmail.com; KHOISAN SONTI; Cape; Siyabulela Ndamane; Babalwa Malawu; nol...@nactu.org.za; zun...@tut.ac.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; manaopane7...@nokiamail.com; clementmar...@yahoo.com; kgothatso sithole; gemoanako...@webmail.co.za; nnyq...@gmail.com; sindi mbele; tsatsawani chauke; zozoj...@yahoo.com; Dimakatso Moletsane; Maciej Radzio; Mofihli Likotsi; Excellent Rikhotso; SELLO IRVIN LESABANE Subject: [PAYCO] Need for serious introspection: What to do to advance the struggle? Revolutionary greetings! Comrades one is confronted by serious personal questions as to the role one should play in the struggle in view of the current state of the PAC in response to the country's political statues quo. The state of the party continues to cripples our contribution and role in the struggle to emancipate our people. We are unable to use our talents, skills, intellectual capital and passion for politics for the benefit of our cause. The leadership wrangles in the party has frustrated us the youth in terms of growth and being nurtured for leadership. We have been seen and described as a threat to those in leadership as opposed to be a resource in the PAC. Party structures are faced with serious challenges. Factionalism and divisions have been inculcated and are unable to add value to the growth of the PAC and its footprint in the Azania's polical landscape. Comrades I am one of those comrades who would be doing a serious introspection to find myself and to define his way forward. I will be confronting the following questions: 1. Is the PAC the only vehicle to lead our people to emancipation? 2. Is the PAC in the state to contest power in our lifetime? 3. Are leadership wrangles in the party possible to resolve anytime soon? 4. Is there a room for the youth in the party to lead the party anytime soon? 5. Can one find political home outside PAC without betraying the glorious history of PAC, its founding leaders and the cause it was established for? Indeed the next few weeks would be difficult one as one have to take a decision that might lead one to leave the party I have served for over 20 years. Comrades we joined PAC for what it stands for not for fun. We are not just enticed by the name PAC. My support for PAC cannot be just like supporting a soccer team. I will appreciate guidance from you dear comrades. Izwe lethu! Linda Ndebele ------Original Message------ To: payco@googlegroups.com To: Mbulelo Raymond Cc: d...@pac.org.za Cc: bulanng...@gmail.com Cc: MoAfrica wa Azania Cc: Keith Moyce Cc: Malinge Plaatjie Cc: Lucas Masemola Cc: m...@pac.org.za Cc: karabo mokgojwa Cc: pasmapresid...@gmail.com Cc: Solly Hlubi Cc: danielmamony...@gmail.com Cc: KHOISAN SONTI Cc: Cape Cc: Siyabulela Ndamane Cc: Babalwa Malawu Cc: nol...@nactu.org.za Cc: zun...@tut.ac.za Cc: legalu...@sacwu.co.za Cc: manaopane7...@nokiamail.com Cc: clementmar...@yahoo.com Cc: kgothatso sithole Cc: gemoanako...@webmail.co.za Cc: nnyq...@gmail.com Cc: sindi mbele Cc: tsatsawani chauke Cc: zozoj...@yahoo.com Cc: Dimakatso Moletsane Cc: Maciej Radzio Cc: Mofihli Likotsi Cc: Excellent Rikhotso Cc: SELLO IRVIN LESABANE Subject: Re: [PAYCO] The Y Road Sent: Aug 22, 2014 19:41 Greetings cde Matome, Wish to acknowledge and appreciate your efforts in repositioning and rebuilding our movement. We have witnessed your selfless efforts crisscrossing the country in an attempt to develop the Programme of Action. Some of us are convinced that we have no other option but taking Left. We cannot lead our people to emancipation if we follow ANC/DA neo-liberal agenda, the right path of Y. We need to reposition ourselves and PAC if we have to succeed in this difficult route we seek to endevour. Rest assured son of the soil we are with you all the way. Izwe lethu! Linda ------Original Message------ From: matome Sender: payco@googlegroups.com To: payco@googlegroups.com To: Mbulelo Raymond Cc: d...@pac.org.za Cc: bulanng...@gmail.com Cc: MoAfrica wa Azania Cc: Keith Moyce Cc: Malinge Plaatjie Cc: Lucas Masemola Cc: m...@pac.org.za Cc: karabo mokgojwa Cc: pasmapresid...@gmail.com Cc: Solly Hlubi Cc: danielmamony...@gmail.com Cc: KHOISAN SONTI Cc: Cape Cc: Siyabulela Ndamane Cc: Babalwa Malawu Cc: nol...@nactu.org.za Cc: zun...@tut.ac.za Cc: legalu...@sacwu.co.za Cc: manaopane7...@nokiamail.com Cc: clementmar...@yahoo.com Cc: kgothatso sithole Cc: gemoanako...@webmail.co.za Cc: nnyq...@gmail.com Cc: sindi mbele Cc: tsatsawani chauke Cc: zozoj...@yahoo.com Cc: Dimakatso Moletsane Cc: Maciej Radzio Cc: Mofihli Likotsi Cc: Excellent Rikhotso Cc: SELLO IRVIN LESABANE ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] The Y Road Sent: Aug 22, 2014 18:14 Attention: Members and Supporters of the PACAugust 2014 Re:The Y Road - Which way to go? During the month of July I extended an invitation to our cadres, leaders, members and supporters for an effort at constructing a revolutionary program of action in leading our people to a bloody engagement with the system and then to prosperity. I now wish to share the lessons picked along the way so far in executing this work. You will see from the update below that the extent of the rot and the challenges ahead cannot be resolved through simple answers. You will also see for yourself from this brief that the suggestion that the party is teetering on the brink of total collapse is not without justification, let alone the suggestion that the party is distant from the masses of our people. First of all I wish to thank all of our members and cadres who took time to engage in the process of developing a program of action. I and all of my comrades are sincerely indebted to you in ways words cannot express sufficiently. I will keep this brief as pointed and brief as is possible to maintain brevity and sufficient party confidentiality and or integrity. This I will do without detracting from the thrust of the brief, painful as it may be to all of us. In the end the conclusive outcome of this brief is a decision we need to make, that being - Which way do we go on the Y Road? This is important because it is my sincerest view that we are at the Y intersection where we need to make one call about which part of the Y Road we pursue. This will become clearer as you read through this brief, and I do thank you in advance for taking the time to engage and perhaps offer your input and advice. The following are my very painful findings resulting from my visits and engagement on the Program of Action design: The promise of money and the mini exchange of it threaten the independence of our members, both young and old. A few within our ranks, who have some access to money, have resorted to its use in the manipulation of our members and cadres to a point of denying them the basic right to think. As I travelled around the country, it became evident that many of our members did not have the right to engage with myself or any other member unless and until they have the clearance and permission to do so from the one member or a group that wields money power. I would have had no qualms if this money group had the competence or will to drive the ship forward. The truth is that they don't have the competence nor the will to drive the ship hence their insecurity and the control of our members through money power. This money group has mastered the art of not just bussing people to conferences but also of understanding the dire state of our members. The reality is that suffering and poverty is deeply punitive. While many of our members have sufficient intelligence and grounding to appreciate what the party needs, their hands are tied. The fact of the matter is that like all of us they need to eat, need a shelter, and other basic amenities. The money group has picked up this suffering of our members and they use it to lynch our organization. Many of our members would not even meet you unless the money group says they should do so, and many times if they meet you, they express views that are not of their own make. They have been reduced to shells echoing the master's voice, stripped of their independence and the ability to engage. This phenomenon is of-course not just within the party; it applies to the relationship between members of the public and the government too. It too manifests in the party in the context I seek to point out. Many of our young comrades and the so-called middle class, are held hostage by this money group. It provides them crumbs enough to survive and to keep them tools for their cause. When they have to travel and or eat the money group provides the poisoned help in the understanding that in doing so they hold our members captive, denying them the right to think. In order to salvage the party and place it in the hands of th Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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