Cde Chargin I expressed and explained bottom-up approach not a top-up approach,
Top-up approach is when members converged for the first time for an unity conference hoping to resolve leadership factions in two days (48 hours) and also generate a PoA. Those who succeeds to attend a conference may lack a mandate thus represent their own individual jackets thus its highly elitist since those with financial resources without branches nor mandates can attend the conference . But the bottom-up approach is a members driven process hence the necessity to defactionalise and forge unity from branches and regional levels as a priority, thus members take full ownership to drive principled unity of the PAC since members generate mandates and define the principles of party unity; Bottom up approach is democratic and transparent programmatic approach. In a bottom-up approach the individual base elements of the system are first specified in great detail by members define the problem and formulate necessary interventions which constitutes a solution. These elements are then linked together to form larger subsystems, which then in turn are linked, sometimes in many levels, until a complete top-level system is formed. This strategy often resembles a "seed" model, by which the beginnings are small but eventually grow in complexity and completeness. A "*bottom-up*" approach to changes one that works from the grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of people working together, through regular interaction they cause a decision to arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of activists, students, or victims of some incident to take action is a "bottom-up" decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an incremental change approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and upheld primarily by members. Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in one province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized soon." Two rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if members per region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an inclusive regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by what factionalised leadership meaning members consciously resolves to denounce and boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering will catalyse the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the following bottom up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa leaderships to an inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank discussions on the state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg Region, members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around principles which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce factionalism and boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies, meetings, conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have started working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive branch meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are encouraged to return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC branch. We as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and rebuild party structures namely branches and regional structures which should propagate revolutionary Pan Africanism, Aims and Objectives of the PAC. Regular inclusive regional meetings are held and we reach out to as many PAC (including PAM) members to attend and participate in party (re)building programme. [image: Figure 3. Top-down and bottom-up approach to problem solving.] The next stage is coordinate a PAC 3rd Gauteng PAC Unity Consultative Meeting, to consider a PAC Gauteng Provincial Unity Plan of Action. What's fundamental is members must agree as to what constitute forged principled unity and how to achieve it a provincial level, and how to monitor progress to defactionalise the PAC and forge principled unity at a provincial level meaning from branch to regional to provincial level. Finally organisationally we aim at a set of interrelated components which interact with one another in an organised fashion towards a common purpose’, thus bottom up (not top up) approach as a systemic approach includes a set of activities that lead and control the overall design, implementation and integration of a complex set of interacting components. Shango lashu Nkrumah On 13 September 2016 at 10:20, Chargein Mabaso <[email protected]> wrote: > Comrade Nkrumah > > Does it mean your Top-up approach cannot address a typical case prevailing > in the Vaal which is currently happening in the Party throughout the > country. I am still waiting for your response on this issue and the reason > for holding two rallies in one province and still claim unity in the PAC > will be realized soon. > > Let’s turn to the concept of factions or factionalism. > > ln a political party, a faction is simply a group of individuals with a > common political purpose and is sometimes referred to as a power bloc or > even a caucus in its embryonic stage. All the current factions in the PAC > started as legitimate caucuses, not necessary full blown factions. We > learned later that all caucuses are nothing but factions in their embryonic > stage, whether ideological or leadership factions. The main aim of any > faction is to advance a particular policy or policy agenda and/or > preventing the adoption of alternative policies and supporting given > individuals to position of power within the organisationto represent and > advance the faction’s agenda. A faction can also be based around supporting > a given person, a leader, to be elected into leadership position. The > former is the ideological faction and the latter is leadership faction. > > For example, the Africanists were an ideological faction within the ANC in > the 1950s. They developed the revolutionary Nation-Building Programme and > forced it down the throat of the reformist ANC Old Guards during the ANC > National Conference held in Bloemfontein in 1949. The ANC adopted the > Programme of Action after a fierce political battle and the Old Guard later > regurgitated it in 1955. Whoever wanted to be voted to lead the ANC in the > 1949 ANC Bloemfontein Conference as its President was required as a > prerequisite to accept and endorse the Programme of Action and commit > himself/her to uphold the Programme in his/her term of office. The > Africanist faction fought fireless to opposed the ANC adoption of Freedom > Charter in 1955. Unlike the Africanist ideological faction, the PAC > factions formed after the 1993 Umtata Conference up to today were and are > still the leadership factions, not ideological factions. They were or are > still based on around supporting a given person to the PAC President based > on the Messiah mentality. e.g.. Dr. Mogoba, Dr Pheko, Maxwell > Nemadzhivhanani, Letlapa Mphahlele, Thami Plaatjie, Luthando Mbinda, > Mphethi, etc. Malema’s faction within the ANCYL focused all its efforts on > one policy issue, nationalization of key economic sectors of the South > African economy (mines, banks, big industries, etc) so as to assume the > status of an ideological faction within the ANC just like the Africanists > to avoid being reduced into a mere leadership faction like the current PAC > factions. The T.M. Ntantala’s faction in exile also assumed the status of > an ideological faction whose proposed policy positions were enshrined in > the New Road of Revolution. The Revolutionary Watchdogs tried to assume a > policy stand too against the Constituent Assembly in the pre-1994 era just > like T.M. Ntatala and Malema’s factions within the PAC and ANC, > respectively. > > The point is Clause 15 of the PAC Disciplinary Code refers leadership > faction, not to ideological factions. Ideological factions are healthy in > any active political party. They are an indication of dynamism in the > political life of an organisation. It must be encouraged at all times. > Without ideological struggles, the Party will degenerate, both politically > and ideologically. > > So far we have all failed to form ideological factions within the PAC in > the post-1994 era of the New Democracy. We have all not outgrown leadership > factions. That is why some of us resist the disbandment of current > leadership factions. We need PAC unity to avail the opportunity for the > realignment of revolutionary and progressive forces both inside and outside > the PAC based on a minimum programme (agreed upon policies or policy > agenda). We can call it an Africanist or Socialist Agenda and constitute > ourselves into a Revolutionary Vanguard or Revolutionary Pan Africanists or > Africanist Socialist Democrats to advocate for an Africanist Socialist > Democracy proposed by the founders of PAC . That is, we must follow > steadfastly on the footsteps of Robert Mangaliso Sobukwe and Dr. Kwame > Nkrumah, not leaders of current leadership factions. > > I hope I made my point clear on the concept of factions. > > > > Izwe Lethu! > > On 12 September 2016 at 18:57, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Cde Chargein >> >> I requested that you define and describe factionalism and factions for >> us, this will assist to move from the same wavelength. >> >> There are members who resolved not to attend any event and meetings which >> furthers factionalism. These are members keen to forge unity and are >> working with other party members, thus parallel structures are on a decline >> in many parts of Gauteng. The dying parallel structures will logically lead >> to PAC hosting one inclusive party events, we can't oversimplify the task >> to forge principled unity and defactionalise the party it's an internal >> struggle in it's own nature given the ideological contradictions prevalent >> within the party. >> >> The decisive battle to be won it's when party members in mass reject and >> denounce factional gatherings including a factional leaders and the same >> members resort to forge unity from their respective areas and build from >> that base. >> >> Shango lashu >> Nkrumah >> >> On 12 Sep 2016 18:34, "Chargein Mabaso" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Comrade Nkrumah >>> >>> Theory is only good if it can address praxtical problems. You did >>> explain how will your Bottom-up approach can solve current dilema in >>> the Vaal. You did expolain why in Gaung there are two PAC rallIes >>> whenever the Party commemorates important days in its calender if your >>> apporoach works. You are two factions. That is clear. A united PAC in >>> Gauteng is expected to hold one rally,, not two or more on the same >>> day. May be there is lack of understanding of factions and >>> factionalism here or defence of factionalism. That is another debate >>> on its own. >>> >>> On 12/09/2016, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Cde Chargein >>> > >>> > We run the risk to label everything and effort as a faction, please 1. >>> > define and describe a faction. >>> > >>> > Secondly, it's evident we disagree on the approach to forge principled >>> > unity. We advocate a Bottom-up approach which has proven itself to be >>> most >>> > effective to defactionalise, reconcile and forge unity in the PAC >>> starting >>> > from branch level leading to national level- national conference to >>> > consolidate and create a PoA. Among many ingredients the bottom-Up >>> approach >>> > is Inclusive Branch and regional meetings to forge unity should be >>> > facilitated by members accepted by such that the unification process is >>> > credible and has integrity. A party unification process which is >>> members >>> > centred and members driven premised on the very same principle of >>> > Democratic Centralism. >>> > >>> > As opposed to members who are highly factionalised meeting for the >>> first >>> > time at a national conference hoping to achieve unity in less 48 hours >>> > national conference. >>> > >>> > Shango lashu >>> > >>> > On 12 Sep 2016 16:42, "Chargein Mabaso" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Comrade Nkrumah >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> The Top-up approach sounds good in theory but not in practice. The >>> >> Marxist philosophy of dialectical materialism *“…emphasizes the >>> >> dependence of theory on practice, emphasizes that theory is based on >>> >> practice and in turn serves practice.”* [*Mao Tse Tung on Theory and >>> >> Practice*]. Theory does not serve itself. The same applies to natural >>> >> science and our current challenge to unite the PAC. That is, the >>> >> correctness of the Top-up approach should be based on practice. Ours >>> is >>> >> to >>> >> be put the Top-up approach on test through practice. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Let’s take, for example, the Vaal area as a typical case in hand. The >>> >> Top-up approach assumes (makes hypothesis that) if comrade Apa Pooe >>> (who >>> >> belongs to Mphahlele faction) convenes a branch or regional meeting >>> today >>> >> that such a meeting will be attended by comrade Nthate (who belongs to >>> >> Mbinda-Moloto faction) without any tensions ending up to verbal >>> attacks >>> >> and >>> >> physical fights. That is incorrect. In the same meeting comrade >>> >> Solundwane >>> >> or Mabaso, a PAM member, are also expected to attend that meeting >>> without >>> >> tensions simmering. The same is true if the meeting is convened by cde >>> >> Nthate or cde Mabaso. The meeting will fuel unnecessary tensions and >>> will >>> >> be a recipe for more conflict than unity. Remember all these factions >>> >> still >>> >> have scores to settle which are still there. They are gone just >>> because >>> >> of >>> >> the talk for unity. In the same meeting convened by APA Pooe, >>> President >>> >> Mphahlele will be invited to address the meeting as a PAC President >>> as it >>> >> is the case now in every funeral chaired by his faction. If the >>> meeting >>> >> is >>> >> called by cde Nthate, President Mbinda or Moloto will also be invited >>> to >>> >> address the meeting as the PAC President or Secretary General. The >>> same >>> >> applies to President Maseko. He will address the meeting as a PAM >>> >> President >>> >> too. That will be confusion at its best, if not madness. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> All these comrades believe they were and are still correct in their >>> views >>> >> and acts. I personally believe our decision to form PAM was correct. I >>> >> still maintain my views till now. I need to be told that it was wrong. >>> >> The >>> >> same is true for Pooe and Nthate. They also believe they were and are >>> >> still >>> >> right. Even you comrade Nkrumah you believe you were and are still >>> >> correct >>> >> in your own views and acts. That is why there is the need for a >>> special >>> >> conference or congress to iron out our differences, once and for all. >>> We >>> >> need to be brutal frank to each other We are not in a revolution to >>> nurse >>> >> each other’s egos and feelings. If we were all wrong we must be told >>> in >>> >> no >>> >> uncertain terms to avoid the repeat of the same mistakes in the >>> future. >>> >> All >>> >> these factions must admit they were wrong based on the PAC Basic >>> >> Documents >>> >> and be prepared to correct their attitudes and promise not to repeat >>> the >>> >> same mistakes again. To cover up our wrongdoings will be disservice >>> to >>> >> PAC >>> >> and the revolution. We must all be prepared to take full >>> responsibility >>> >> for >>> >> all our actions, not certain people. No one is exempted from making >>> >> mistakes in the revolution. I want to see that day whose hands are >>> clean >>> >> in >>> >> the current crisis. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> As revolutionaries, we must not afraid of criticism. Let’s practice >>> what >>> >> we preach. Those who are opposed to the conference or congress are >>> scared >>> >> of maximum self-criticism and criticism. They are afraid to to correct >>> >> their mistakes and are prepared to repeat them. They are cowards who >>> >> always >>> >> want to appear clean. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> The Top-up approach will definitely complicate matters. Let’s accept >>> it. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Currently, PAM members have experienced strange treatment at all unity >>> >> meetings organised at branch, regional and provincial level by any >>> >> faction. >>> >> They are told to first disband PAM before unity is discussed or >>> >> recognised >>> >> within the PAC. Funny enough, the same does not apply to PAC factions >>> >> which >>> >> are multiplying day by day. WHY? The reasons are those factions do not >>> >> believe there is crisis within the PAC and those socalled unity talks >>> are >>> >> between PAM and one of the PAC factions, not between PAM and one, >>> united >>> >> PAC. It is either between PAM and Mphahlele’s faction or Mbinda’s >>> faction >>> >> or the new PAC faction formed, consciously or unconsciously, around >>> >> Gauteng >>> >> which normally have rallies around Soweto not attending rallies >>> organised >>> >> by Mbinda-Moloto’s faction. What do you call such meetings? They are >>> >> nothing but an attempt to consolidate individual factions turning them >>> >> into >>> >> super-factions instead of uniting PAC. That is the true meaning of the >>> >> Top-up approach. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> The Top-up approach is also doomed to fail. It will reach its >>> political >>> >> cul-de-sac sooner than expected. It’s a waste of time and fruitless >>> >> exercise. It must be treated as such. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> A new approach is needed if we are serious about PAC unity. A >>> principled, >>> >> scientific approach based on the 1959 Basic Documents is the only >>> >> solution >>> >> to the current PAC crisis. All factions and parties must, first, be >>> >> disbanded at a conference or congress level, not only PAM. That is >>> what >>> >> all >>> >> PAC factions do not want. A new leadership must be put in place based >>> on >>> >> collective leadership and be legitimised by and resolved in a >>> conference >>> >> or >>> >> congress and mandated to take collective responsibility to unite PAC, >>> not >>> >> individual PAC factions. If not so, let’s kiss and say goodbye to >>> unity >>> >> talks. They will not work. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Unity talks are now used only for political point-scoring, not for >>> what >>> >> they intended for. We are not short-sighted to see it. We are all not >>> >> obliged to unite if we are not the likeminded. Unholy marriage will >>> not >>> >> last. We know it from experience. That is why Africanists broke away >>> from >>> >> the captured ANC in 1958 and formed PAC. The same is true for PAC at >>> the >>> >> moment. It is captured too by wrong elements. With Africanist >>> breakaway, >>> >> the South African history was not the same again. The same happened >>> after >>> >> ZANU broke away from ZAPU and the Bolsheviks broke away from the >>> >> Mensheviks. It is nothing new. The reason for opposing unprincipled >>> unity >>> >> is, without the foundation for unity (solid ideological unity, strong >>> >> organisational unity and strict discipline), PAC unity is a pie in the >>> >> sky. It will not last. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> The truth is PAC is captured by wrong elements like the ANC. To rescue >>> >> PAC >>> >> from the current crisis, extra-ordinary measures must be taken. >>> >> Liberalism >>> >> will not work. Let’s forget about it. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> I repeat: we are forced to unite. If there is no foundation for Party >>> >> unity, let’s forget about PAC unity. PAC founders were right to leave >>> >> captured ANC in 1958. History judged them correctly. It will be the >>> judge >>> >> even this time. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Izwe Lethu! >>> >> >>> >> On 9 September 2016 at 16:55, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi >>> >> <[email protected] >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Comrade Charge-in >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Factionalism within the party which has exhibited itself in many ills >>> >>> such as the parallel National Leadership structures including other >>> >>> party >>> >>> structures, is a manifestation of both the ideo-political and >>> >>> organisation >>> >>> degeneration, primarily degeneration of the branches and members of >>> the >>> >>> PAC, hence the rot and decay we see. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Legitimacy of any leadership is derived from popular explicit and >>> >>> implicit consent of the governed (members and branches) acting >>> through, >>> >>> and >>> >>> as determined and prescribed by the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary >>> >>> Code. Whether >>> >>> a leadership has authority, in the sense that members and branches >>> obey >>> >>> its >>> >>> instructions and laws, we can ask whether it(leadership) has >>> legitimacy. >>> >>> The term legitimate comes from the Latin for ‘lawful’. In the most >>> basic >>> >>> sense, a national leadership is legitimate if it exists and operates >>> >>> according to the law in this case PAC Constitution and Disciplinary >>> Code >>> >>> thus enjoy full support and recognition of members and branches. >>> >>> Branches >>> >>> are the party's basic blocks, they are a determining factor of unity >>> or >>> >>> perpetuation of factions, if they are strong or weak. If the >>> majority or >>> >>> ideally all members and branches withdraw their recognition and >>> >>> association >>> >>> of any national leadership then no-one leadership can claim >>> legitimacy. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Weak branches and members are susceptible to evil influences, hence >>> the >>> >>> feuding parallel National Leaderships thrives on the basis of an >>> >>> ideologically weak, confused and divided membership and/or branches. >>> >>> Acting >>> >>> outside of the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary code, the feuding >>> >>> leaderships uses and exploit differences of whatever nature prevalent >>> >>> among >>> >>> members and/or branches thus coordinate and recognise those members >>> >>> and/or >>> >>> branches who legitimizes it, this then make an illegitimate >>> leadership >>> >>> by default become legitimate. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Unified members acting through their Branches constitutes the basic >>> >>> building blocks of the party as per the party disciplinary code. If a >>> >>> branch based members disagree and they operate outside the party >>> >>> constitution and disciplinary code, and their >>> >>> disagreements persistently remain unresolved such an internal >>> >>> environment will either breed factionalism or create a fertile ground >>> >>> for >>> >>> factionalism to prevail. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Bottom-up implies refers to party members centred and driven unity >>> >>> process to defactionalise the party from the branch level to regional >>> >>> level >>> >>> etc. Acting within the principle of democratic centralism, inclusive >>> >>> branch >>> >>> meetings composed of all PAC members drawn across feuding groupings >>> and >>> >>> also inclusive inter-branch regional meetings equally composed of all >>> >>> members drawn from feuding groupings, PAM and any other PAC members >>> >>> seeking >>> >>> principled unity has proven to e the most effective method to >>> >>> defactionalise and forge principled unity; such regular meetings, >>> >>> political >>> >>> classes included are coordinated and organised to take place on >>> regular >>> >>> basis (example monthly). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Our Party is not simply an aggregate of individual members. It is a >>> >>> unified, organic body established according to a definite principle. >>> It >>> >>> is >>> >>> a composite of its leaders and its rank and file. The Party as an >>> >>> organization at all levels and the broad body of the membership and >>> it >>> >>> has >>> >>> been established in accordance with a definite principle, that is, >>> >>> democratic centralism in the Party. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> · Organise regular all members inclusive branch meetings; >>> >>> >>> >>> · Reconstitute branches and operate within party constitution >>> and >>> >>> disciplinary code; >>> >>> >>> >>> · Organise regular all members regional meetings; >>> >>> >>> >>> · Reconstitute regions and operate within the party >>> constitution >>> >>> and disciplinary code; >>> >>> >>> >>> · Organise ideological and political workshops on regular >>> basis >>> >>> at regional and provincial level; >>> >>> >>> >>> · Initiate and organise mass based community struggles; >>> >>> >>> >>> · Organise regular all inclusive provincial meetings to >>> >>> consolidate unity with common purpose and consolidate gains made; >>> >>> >>> >>> · Approach the PAC national unity conference from a position >>> of >>> >>> unity achieved from the bottom to top, that is branches to regional >>> then >>> >>> provincial; >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Avoid attending and convening national conferences coming from your >>> >>> branches and regions being divided and highly factionalised, instead >>> >>> approach national unity conference from a position where concrete >>> steps >>> >>> and >>> >>> actions has been taken, gains had been to forge principle unity from >>> the >>> >>> branch level moving upward. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If P .A.C. wants to forge ahead, it must adopt and carry out this >>> >>> principle with firmness and thoroughness. To address and root out >>> >>> Factionalism which the party basic documents has concluded that >>> >>> “Factionalism is the enemy of solidarity and unity of action”, the >>> Party >>> >>> basic documents also concludes that “to destroy it (factionalism) at >>> its >>> >>> roots, maximum self-criticism should be encouraged within the >>> movement. >>> >>> A >>> >>> movement that adopts democratic centralism in its approach to its >>> >>> organizational problems will know how to deal with the virus of >>> >>> factionalism”. And that “Where the normal processes of free >>> discussion >>> >>> fail >>> >>> to curb factional tendencies, then firm iron discipline should come >>> into >>> >>> play, and factional”. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Shango Lashu >>> >>> >>> >>> NKrumah >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9 September 2016 at 11:13, Chargein Mabaso <[email protected] >>> > >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Comrade Nkrumah >>> >>>> >>> >>>> How are you, Son of the soil? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I would also appreciate to meet you and other comrade who would >>> like >>> >>>> to >>> >>>> share ideas on the unity talks in relation to my input. My position >>> is >>> >>>> not >>> >>>> cast in stone. I have applied my mind to the task at hand. May be I >>> am >>> >>>> not >>> >>>> informed on the basis of twor approaches. I only based my position >>> on >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> scientific approach to Party unity. I also drew lessons from other >>> >>>> revolutions worldwide. The current crisis is not unique to PAC. All >>> >>>> revolutionary parties through the world experienced the same >>> challenge >>> >>>> of >>> >>>> factionalism. They addressed their own crises the same way as >>> enshrined >>> >>>> in >>> >>>> the PAC Basic Documents. It is the only objective and scientific >>> >>>> approach. >>> >>>> Others are subjective and unscientific. That is my stance. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Lest we forget! There is unfinished business in the PAC. People >>> want to >>> >>>> settle old scores, in one way or another. Let's not trivalise the >>> >>>> current >>> >>>> crisis. Some of political and ideological differences in the PAC >>> have >>> >>>> their >>> >>>> roots going as far as in exile and in Robben Island in the days of >>> >>>> Casablanca and Morovian groups, Katanga's, Panafro, Sobukwe Forum, >>> >>>> APRP, >>> >>>> etc. PAM, ID and APC are new phenomena. We need to open those >>> wounds, >>> >>>> surgically clean and stitch them so that they heal properly. The >>> >>>> broad-church mentality does not work even in reformist parties like >>> the >>> >>>> ANC, let alone in evolutionary ones. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> My challenge is: I believe the approach enshrined in the PAC Basic >>> >>>> Documents is the only correct and scientific one. The reason is, >>> from >>> >>>> my >>> >>>> experience since I joined PAC, any position in line with the PAC >>> Basic >>> >>>> Documents is always the correct one at the end. Any violation of the >>> >>>> PAC >>> >>>> Basic Documents always proved to be wrong in the final analysis. >>> Take, >>> >>>> for >>> >>>> example, the suspension of armed struggle by the PAC NWC and the >>> >>>> President's violation of the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code >>> >>>> after >>> >>>> Qwaqwa Congress. No amount of innovation and creativity will ever >>> >>>> disprove >>> >>>> the correctness of the PAC Basic Documents. They are sacrosanct to >>> us >>> >>>> as >>> >>>> Pan Africanist just like the Bible is to Christians. Once comrades >>> start >>> >>>> to >>> >>>> question their correctness, I always feel suspicious of the >>> intentions >>> >>>> of >>> >>>> those Party members. I know there is currently some members who >>> openly >>> >>>> disagree with Sobukwe and Kwame Nkrumah on certain political line >>> they >>> >>>> advocated for the Party Their mere mention of such disagreements >>> makes >>> >>>> me >>> >>>> doubt their intentions and honest. They sound mischievous. To me, >>> that >>> >>>> is >>> >>>> strange to claim to be following in the footsteps of Sobukwe and >>> >>>> Nkrumah >>> >>>> and still disagree with the them on their political line. Such a >>> move >>> >>>> is >>> >>>> like being a proud Christian totally opposed to some of the >>> teachings >>> >>>> of >>> >>>> Jesus Christ, for example, being opposed to the >>> "turn-the-other-chick" >>> >>>> stance advocated by Jesus Christ. It's contradiction in terms. >>> Honest >>> >>>> and >>> >>>> loyal Christians do not advocate "an-eye-for-an-eye" stance in >>> dealing >>> >>>> with >>> >>>> their enemies. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> May be after our meeting I will be convinced otherwise. As of now, >>> I am >>> >>>> not. I currently believe there is no need to event the wheel at this >>> >>>> stage. >>> >>>> The tools of resolving PAC crisis are enshrined in the PAC Basic >>> >>>> Documents, >>> >>>> no where else. I may be wrong. Please educate me, noble sons and >>> >>>> daughters >>> >>>> of the soil. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I am available next week from Monday to Friday. I will be around >>> >>>> Joburg >>> >>>> for the whole week. We can meet at any convenient time. Let's keep >>> in >>> >>>> contact. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I want to be honest, I am not convince the Top-down and Bottom-up >>> >>>> approaches will ever work. I may be wrong. My instinct and logic >>> say >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> opposite. Objectively, the two approaches are not workable. May be >>> >>>> after >>> >>>> our meeting I will see light at the end of the tunnel. Let's talk >>> >>>> later, >>> >>>> comrade. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Izwe Lethu! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Charge-in Mabaso >>> >>>> Cell: 071 020 3554 >>> >>>> >>> >>>> . >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 8 September 2016 at 21:17, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < >>> >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> Cde Charge in >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Thanks for the document which I perused, your critique of Top Down >>> and >>> >>>>> Bottom Up strategies fails to recognise the solutions presented or >>> >>>>> arising >>> >>>>> from each strategy and also that both strategies are capable to >>> >>>>> converge as >>> >>>>> long as there the two strategies are not executed from an >>> antagonist >>> >>>>> initiators. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Please note: Not all PAC Branches and regions have parallel >>> >>>>> structures, >>> >>>>> in some areas parallel structures have collapsed, this present a >>> space >>> >>>>> to >>> >>>>> rebuild ftom the bottom. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I suggest a session to exchange ideas on your paper. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Shango lashu >>> >>>>> Nkrumah >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 8 Sep 2016 13:28, "Chargein Mabaso" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> Ma-Afrika >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Please find the attached document as my objective contribution to >>> the >>> >>>>>> debate on unity talks within the Pan Africanist camp. 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