What I'm asking is, how does the intermediate stage of having this image
written to disk improve accuracy? that is all I've been trying to ask by
what I've said. If the music CD from which you're ripping tracks has
flaws
that would distort the sound or introduce noises (I don't believe you mean
the pops and clicks that plague LPs, really, do you?), then how does this
intermediate step help protect against winding up with a noisy .mp3 file?
I
don't know what you mean by asking rhetorircally why the developer would
include this stage as an option. I honestly don't know what's
accomplished
with this. If it doesn't give the program a chance to clean up errors,
then
what good does it do? I am *not* speaking sarcastically. I'm really
asking.being
Do you think I'm questioning the wisdom of the program writers who include
this option? No, not at all. I'm not anywhere near being able to address
something like that. I honestly just don't see how making an intermediate
copy is going to prevent you from getting bad sound from a damaged CD. I
mean, what is done along the way to remedy a bad CD? You're saying
nothing
is done? Do you see what I'm not getting? I don't know how else to
phrase
it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kevin: On the fly, another question
No Joel.
Once an image is created it's not going to be able to go back and clean up
any imperfections. My point is that the creation of the image itself
allows
the ripper to separate the processes. If you're ripping on the fly you
won't get an image file at all because the encoding is being done on the
data stream as it leaves the CD-ROM.
You really only need ask yourself a very simple question as to whether you
want to use on the fly or not. Do you think that developers put this flag
in just to slow you down when ripping or burning? The developer obviously
wants their program to rip and burn at the maximum speed and quality so
why
would they build in a feature who's only purpose would be to slow you
down?
It's pretty obvious I think that the trade off is that you forgo some
quality for speed and so it's really a personal choice.
Kevin
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kevin: On the fly, another question
Kevin,
You mean that when you have flaws on an audio CD, once they get written
to
an image file on disc, the encoding process is less likely to pick up the
flaws, somehow, as it creates the compressed file?
appy----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: Kevin: On the fly, another question
Hi Daniel.
It's not that flaws at source can be fixed just because you've unchecked
the
"on the fly" checkbox. If there are flaws on the CD then they will cause
issues whether you rip on the fly or not.
The point I'm not making very well is that by breaking down a complex
process involving the extraction and conversion of data from a spinning
disc, there are less chances of issues arising if the process is instead
broken down into a number of discreet steps. Specifically, separating
the
process of reading the disc to extract all audio information before any
conversion to MP3 is done using an encoder that is applying complex
algorithms to the data to assess what it thinks can be disregarded and
what
it thinks needs to be retained to fulfil high quality sound reproduction.
Hope that's clearer.
Kevin
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kevin: On the fly, another question
> kevin,
> I don't quite understand. If you aren't offered the opportunity to
correct
> an error yourself, then are you implying that somehow, during this two
step
> process, errors from a damanged or flawed CD nonetheless do get
corrected
> for before they're written to .mp3 from the image? Only without your
> intercession? Is that it? Otherwise,I don't understand how the
two-step
> process ensures that flaws in the audio CD source don't get written to
.mp3.
> Is my question clearer now?
>
> Thanks.
> elps m isk e3tween
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Kevin: On the fly, another question
>
>
> No, it won't detect potential errors and allow you to stop, continue or
fix
> in situ. By creating the image you are breaking down the tasks
associated
> with ripping so that you extract in one step to your hard drive and
> then
> convert from there. When on the fly you extract and convert in a
> single
> step. It is for this reason alone that you are likely to have less
> risk
of
> imperfections when ripping to an image first.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kevin
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> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 4:31 PM
> Subject: Kevin: On the fly, another question
>
>
> > Kevin,
> > Let's say I use the method of ripping that involves writing a file or
> image
> > to disk and then ripping from that, the method you prefer for its
> prudence.
> > Okay. So what if a CD I'm ripping tracks from turns out to have the
kinds
> > of flaws that elicit this "jitter" error report and mean that you'll
wind
> up
> > with a messed-up .mp3 copy? In what way does this method actually
provide
> > protection? Does it stop the process at some point, notify you that
> there's
> > a flaw, and offer the option to correct it by clicking on something?
Or
> if
> > not that, what?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
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