Oh yeah but while you're recording you're writing *.wav files by default, no matter what you save too, that was why I was wondering. You must have NFS (or whatever the native XP file system is, mine was updated from 98 and I wanted to have access at the system level from dos so still use fat32. Why do you write 2 compressed files since if the native source is *.wav you could just write your *.mp3 files from it which would be closer to source and save you a step, just curious.
Curtis Delzer At 04:55 AM 1/6/2006, you wrote: >No, I'm encoding initially at 44,100 double speed tape then sampling down to >22.500 or whatever it is. I've never had a problem with disks being filled, >probably because I don't save in wav formats. I don't know much about it, >but it appears that the .pca (perfect clarity audio) is some kind of a >compression scheme. Since I double speed everything that goes into the Book >Port, that file is reduced by at least half and actually a little more than >half by the time it hits my flash card. I have a 2 gig flash card in there, >so no worries about ever running out, especially since I'm compressing the >audio. > >Truthfully, considering the space I save, and considering the quality of NLS >tapes in the first place, 24 KBPS sounds absolutely fine for what I'm doing. >I always change them to mono as part of the digitization process anyway. I >was encoding at 16 KBPS when I had a lower capacity flash card in the Book >Port. Sixteen KBPS is acceptable for an NLS book or magazine, but it's not >pretty, and it's not what you would want to quietly move to a CD for later >reading some day down the road. I always knew that as soon as I was done >with the book or the mag, I'd delete it. > >As for taking out references to the cassette, in the magazines, when I >digitize the table of contents, I even take out that "side one tone 3" type >stuff. What's left is the story name, the page number on which it appears, >and the reading time. I refuse to tinker with those files much more than >that; after a while, you start getting to a point where you're putting more >work into the digitization process than it's worth, unless you're going to >keep the book or magazine as some kind of lovely little keepsake thingy. So >far, I haven't read a book good enough to warrant keeping it around forever >and ever. > >Nolan > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer >Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:21 PM >To: PC audio discussion list. >Subject: RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions > >What are you writing at first 22,050hz at 16Bit or smaller? in >stereo, you could only go about 6 hours and 40 minutes at that rate >before you'd fill a fat 32 disk with 2 gigabytes. 24K mp3s don't >really sound that good, the smallest I do is 32K or 32K at the lowest >vbr rating of the encoder engine I use, can't spell frahnhoffer but I >tried, but, again, on the BP 24K mp3s I guess are ok. One mp3 at >that length would be a little unwieldy to me, but that is just >individual preference, and the bp does keep track of where you're >reading in any case. What is a *.pca file? >I am going to give GoldWave a look to see how they use noise >reduction or how their native noise reduction works, it's worth >the$50 because of the support to keyboards the program continues to >have as well. >Bruce, you're a good promulgator of the program, :) <grin> > >Curtis Delzer > >At 04:12 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: > >No, I'm doing many of the same things you mentioned already. I'm getting > >rid of beginnings and endings of all sides, blowing off all references to > >cassettes in general. > > > >When I'm done, I have a single MP3, 24 KBPS, that works nicely in the Book > >Port. > > > >I dug out the deck, and the crosstalk is no more. > > > >Sixteen sides is the most I've ever digitized--made for a heck of a file, > >but it worked. > > > >I guess I could do all that region creation stuff, which makes sense, but I > >save each side as a .pca file, then I combine them and render them as a > >single MP3. I don't even keep the stuff about "continuing on page > >such-and-such" at the beginning of every side. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer > >Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:54 AM > >To: PC audio discussion list. > >Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions > > > >I initially forgot a couple steps, very important. After you've > >recorded your "stereo" file with each track/side in the left and > >right channels, you need to select the entire file and copy it to the > >clip board and paste it into another window, one which is mono so the > >sound will be in the center. OOPS, sorry about that. > >You can do all the processing if you wish first before you do the > >pasting into your mono file, but it is important if you can, to put > >markers while the initial recording is being made when the cassette > >sides end so you can find them in an 8 side file, for example, which > >is just about the limit for fat32 (at 44,100Hz at 16bit stereo), if > >you use that format on your hard drive. So, let's say you've recorded > >your stereo file, 2 cassettes long which is about 3 hours, (probably > >2:56 or so), select it all, then paste it into your mono file. First, > >the left channel, then the right channel. When you reverse the right > >channel, after you've done that, your 11 hour file will look like > >this; again after you've sampled down to 22,050Hz in mono, side 1, 2, > >5, 6, 7, 8, 3, 4, (from least to most time, left to right. I label > >each region paying very close attention to the narrator so the > >numbers coincide, but I don't keep him saying "side 2, side 3, etc. > >and also I don't keep, "this book is up to 4 sides per cassette, or > >"so many pages on so many sides," in digital format, (again just my > >opinion, it is not needed, and, "to skip such and such in this book, > >fast forward until a beep is heard, stop at that point to hear x x x, > >or the beginning of the book." > >The markers, though you made them going forward, after you've > >reversed the right channel, the markers will be close to where the > >"reversed" sides begin' or' end, but you'll have to hunt a bit. Make > >new markers at the beginning and end of where you wish to create your > >regions, so in that way if the left or right end of the region area > >gets lost or unselected, you can readily find it again. > >I just recorded, finished, "Undue Influence," by Steven Martini > >tonight, while the Rose Bowl was going on, GO TEXAS! :) They did win, > >during side 10 about 30 minutes before I finished the initial > >recording before processing. > > > >At 04:47 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: > > >Thank you for such kind words, and I will do what I can to reveal > > >what I do to get rid of noise in sound forge. > > >Here is a message I sent to Nolan about it, but I'll amplify. > > >Well, this is "off list," so no prob, and as far as replying, hey, > > >what are we here > > >fore, to help one another? Damn right! So, I enjoy it since I've done > > >many hundred > > >books and know how valuable it is when you hear something which, > > >going in sounded > > >like that unmentionable schtuff you mentioned, but coming out sounds > > >fantastic! I, > > >presume, you do have the sound forge noise reduction plug in, so if > > >you do, then > > >you're going to find that it will do a magnificent job, especially if > > >you can get > > >it to sample the sound in such a way that it automatically picks the > > >"hiss," and/or > > >the "noise" it is suppose to hear, and not what you don't want it to > > >reduce like > > >the voice. Since you've recorded in SF before and know how to > > >reverse, what I do > > >is make a region for each side of each cassette, and then have sf > > >write those regions > > >to specific *.wav files, and then use something else to make the mp3s > > >at 32K or 32K > > >with vbr so the sound is as good as it should be. I record at > > >44,100Hz and then change > > >the sample rate to 22,050, (NOT RESAMPLE) just change the sample rate > > >so the pitch > > >halves, to resample would not change the pitch but you'd loose > > >quality, and then > > >apply noise reduction since the noise you wish for the NR to hear > > >would be at the > > >correct pitch as well. > > >I hope some of this rambling helps. You can change the amount of > > >noise reduction > > >in the nr reduction plug-in, rather than use the preset of "0.250 > > >seconds (a quarter > > >second) (for fast computers) and then, since it's mode 1, you can > > >then change the > > >amount of supression in db. The "sample noise" checkbox should be > > >checked, and when > > >you first have it sample a noise, it auto unchecks itself since the > > >nr plug-in has > > >found the sample and made it's configuration and to that noise it's > > >sampled, it's > > >set. Change the db slider to, let's say, minus 40 DB and while > > >listening to the "preview" > > >you'll be amazed how wonderfully it will work. Then, save the > > >setting, but make sure, > > >before you save that setting, that the sample checkbox is then, > > >checked, since if > > >you use that setting in the future for another minus 40 db sample, > > >you wish it to > > >sample at least a quarter second of noise automatically, and by > > >default. Many guys > > >forget that checkbox and figure that since the slider is set for > > >minus 40 db, it > > >will get rid of the noise, forgetting that it needs to sample first > > >some noise before > > >it can apply it's magic to what you wish it to hear, not a voice or > > >music. Plan to > > >use a selected part of the noise when you make the nr plug-in hear > > >noise, (the beginning > > >of each side of a book is plenty of room for it) and you'll be really > > >pleased, I > > >guarantee. > > >That dec, will make a huge difference though the handi-cassette is > > >good one track > > >at a time, even has better or less cross talk one track at a time, > > >but is tedious > > >that way. Recording off that dec in your garage (when you set it up) > > >the right channel > > >is tracks 4 and 3 sides 1 and 2 of the tape, and you know that if you > > >first record > > >1 cassette, that if you press tab it will put the left channel by > > >itself into a way > > >which you can work with separately. Press tab until you hear only the > > >right channel, > > >then reverse it all at once. Then you should down sample, normalize, > > >noise reduce, > > >make regions for sides (which for best results should be noise > > >reduced separately) > > >and then have sf make your *.wav files. > > >Getting to those sliders for minus db can be problematic, though, > > >fortunately I have jfw 5.0 and it's native sound forge configuration > > >files, so the sliders can be found. You must play around a good bit > > >in the plug-in configuration, trying up and down arrow to find out > > >which field(s) get changed, but when you do and learn which does > > >change that slider from about minus 12.5 db which is a default > > >setting when using the preset for "fast computers with 250 > > >millisecond capture, you then will be amazed how well it works, > > >again, especially, if it just hears noise such as tape hiss or hum > > >before the recording begins. > > >I hope all this helps. Take care and write to let me know how you're >doing. > > >Curtis Delzer > > > > > >At 02:06 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: > > >Thanks for the outstanding advice regarding the plug-in and the > > >handi-cassette. I knew it was a piece of something unmentionable when it > > >came to reproducing stereo sound; I need to hunt up my old cassette deck > > >stored in a box in the garage, and I'll do that this weekend. > > >I wonder if we could communicate via e-mail off list so I can get a > >somewhat > > >better handle on how to even begin to use that plug-in. I can't even get > > >the auto trim crop to trim the silence off both ends of the recording > > >appropriately--obviously operator incompetence alive, well, and at work >in > > >front of my keyboard. <smile> > > >Again, Curtis, thanks for replying. I know it took time out of your >life, > > >and silly and goofy as it sounds, any time I get a reply from anyone, >it's > > >kind of a significant thing, especially when I stop and recognize how >busy > >I > > >get and how easy it is to just say "poor slob; hope someone somewhere can > > >figure that out for him," and hit the delete key. So when I say thanks >for > > >writing back, I truly am grateful. > > >Where do I even go to activate the plug-in? I assume I have to select >some > > >tape hiss; that's easy enough to do. > > >And do you do that before or after you resample? > > >Nolan Crabb > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >] > > >On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:18 AM > > >To: PC audio discussion list. > > >Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions > > >Sorry, but the HANDI-CASSETTE has a lot of cross talk by default, > > >and nothing in sound forge can correct this. A better way is to use a > > >regular stereo cassette dec and record tracks 1 and 4, then turn the > > >cassette over and then record sides 2 and 3. This will make a file > > >about an hour and a half long, (probably closer to about 84 or 85 > > >minutes give or take). In SF you can press tab and get to either the > > >left or right side, and you wish to reverse the right channel as you > > >know. If you have the SF noise reduction plut-in, it is superlative > > >at getting rid of the hiss. The commercial cassette stereo recorder > > >has a much better cross talk capability, even a non expensive one. > > >Somehow, the HANDI-CASSETTE, in stereo, is pretty lousy in this > > >regard. If you use the sound forge noise reduction plut-in, use a > > >facility in it which lets you sample the hiss in such a way that it > > >is beyond the beginning of the tape and just before the narrator > > >begins, and save the setting. You can tweak the settings to get that > > >hiss up to 99 db below what it is, and if you do it right, the hiss > > >will be virtually gone leaving the recording even better than the > > >original, I know, I've done it several hundred times. > > >Good luck! > > >Curtis Delzer > > >At 05:18 PM 1/3/2006, you wrote: > > > >Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. > > > > > > > >I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my > >Book > > > >Port. So here's the question: > > > > > > > >I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of >the > > > >crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a > > > >handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then > >reverse > > > >tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is >normal, > > > >combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck > >into > > > >the Book Port. > > > > > > > >How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the >hiss > >if > > > >not the crosstalk? > > > > > > > >Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. > > >Trust > > > >me, I get that already! > > > > > > > >Thanks for any help you can give. > > > > > > > >Nolan Crabb > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > > > > > > >http://www.pc-audio.org > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other > > > >lists we offer, visit us on the web at > > >http://www.MosenExplosion.com > > >_______________________________________________ > > >PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > > >http://www.pc-audio.org > > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we > > >offer, visit us on the web at > > >http://www.MosenExplosion.com > > > > > > > > >At 02:26 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: > > > >Nolan, I have had good results in removing crosstalk by using the > > > >Noise Gate function in the SF8 menu. That's Noise Gate rather than > > > >Noise Reduction. You need to tinker with the decibel setting - > > > >somewhere between -30 and -35 worked best for me without cutting off > > > >the speech at the end of phrases, and you still get crosstalk > > > >sometimes during the speech, but it made a big difference in the final > > > >product. > > > > > > > >I endorse Curtis's suggestion (posted later) of using a commercial > > > >stereo cassette deck, and resampling and reversing tracks to get the > > > >final result. It's a little more technically intensive, but the > > > >results are worth it. I would love to know Curtis's secret for > > > >removing as much hiss as he does with Noise Reduction. I could never > > > >achieve those results, which I am sure is more a comment on the > > > >operator than on the product. > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Nolan Crabb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" <Pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:18 PM > > > >Subject: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions > > > > > > > > > > > >Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. > > > > > > > >I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my > > > >Book > > > >Port. So here's the question: > > > > > > > >I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of > > > >the > > > >crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a > > > >handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then > > > >reverse > > > >tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is > > > >normal, > > > >combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck > > > >into > > > >the Book Port. > > > > > > > >How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the > > > >hiss if > > > >not the crosstalk? > > > > > > > >Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. > > > >Trust > > > >me, I get that already! > > > > > > > >Thanks for any help you can give. > > > > > > > >Nolan Crabb > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > > > >http://www.pc-audio.org > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. 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