I think you can have more on the device, just not more than that in any one file. I guess recording TV wouldn't be possible in 98, it runs about 2 gigs per hour on mpeg-2, heh.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Curtis Delzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <Pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions > What are you writing at first 22,050hz at 16Bit or smaller? in > stereo, you could only go about 6 hours and 40 minutes at that rate > before you'd fill a fat 32 disk with 2 gigabytes. 24K mp3s don't > really sound that good, the smallest I do is 32K or 32K at the lowest > vbr rating of the encoder engine I use, can't spell frahnhoffer but I > tried, but, again, on the BP 24K mp3s I guess are ok. One mp3 at > that length would be a little unwieldy to me, but that is just > individual preference, and the bp does keep track of where you're > reading in any case. What is a *.pca file? > I am going to give GoldWave a look to see how they use noise > reduction or how their native noise reduction works, it's worth > the$50 because of the support to keyboards the program continues to > have as well. > Bruce, you're a good promulgator of the program, :) <grin> > > Curtis Delzer > > At 04:12 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: >>No, I'm doing many of the same things you mentioned already. I'm getting >>rid of beginnings and endings of all sides, blowing off all references to >>cassettes in general. >> >>When I'm done, I have a single MP3, 24 KBPS, that works nicely in the Book >>Port. >> >>I dug out the deck, and the crosstalk is no more. >> >>Sixteen sides is the most I've ever digitized--made for a heck of a file, >>but it worked. >> >>I guess I could do all that region creation stuff, which makes sense, but >>I >>save each side as a .pca file, then I combine them and render them as a >>single MP3. I don't even keep the stuff about "continuing on page >>such-and-such" at the beginning of every side. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer >>Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:54 AM >>To: PC audio discussion list. >>Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions >> >>I initially forgot a couple steps, very important. After you've >>recorded your "stereo" file with each track/side in the left and >>right channels, you need to select the entire file and copy it to the >>clip board and paste it into another window, one which is mono so the >>sound will be in the center. OOPS, sorry about that. >>You can do all the processing if you wish first before you do the >>pasting into your mono file, but it is important if you can, to put >>markers while the initial recording is being made when the cassette >>sides end so you can find them in an 8 side file, for example, which >>is just about the limit for fat32 (at 44,100Hz at 16bit stereo), if >>you use that format on your hard drive. So, let's say you've recorded >>your stereo file, 2 cassettes long which is about 3 hours, (probably >>2:56 or so), select it all, then paste it into your mono file. First, >>the left channel, then the right channel. When you reverse the right >>channel, after you've done that, your 11 hour file will look like >>this; again after you've sampled down to 22,050Hz in mono, side 1, 2, >>5, 6, 7, 8, 3, 4, (from least to most time, left to right. I label >>each region paying very close attention to the narrator so the >>numbers coincide, but I don't keep him saying "side 2, side 3, etc. >>and also I don't keep, "this book is up to 4 sides per cassette, or >>"so many pages on so many sides," in digital format, (again just my >>opinion, it is not needed, and, "to skip such and such in this book, >>fast forward until a beep is heard, stop at that point to hear x x x, >>or the beginning of the book." >>The markers, though you made them going forward, after you've >>reversed the right channel, the markers will be close to where the >>"reversed" sides begin' or' end, but you'll have to hunt a bit. Make >>new markers at the beginning and end of where you wish to create your >>regions, so in that way if the left or right end of the region area >>gets lost or unselected, you can readily find it again. >>I just recorded, finished, "Undue Influence," by Steven Martini >>tonight, while the Rose Bowl was going on, GO TEXAS! :) They did win, >>during side 10 about 30 minutes before I finished the initial >>recording before processing. >> >>At 04:47 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >> >Thank you for such kind words, and I will do what I can to reveal >> >what I do to get rid of noise in sound forge. >> >Here is a message I sent to Nolan about it, but I'll amplify. >> >Well, this is "off list," so no prob, and as far as replying, hey, >> >what are we here >> >fore, to help one another? Damn right! So, I enjoy it since I've done >> >many hundred >> >books and know how valuable it is when you hear something which, >> >going in sounded >> >like that unmentionable schtuff you mentioned, but coming out sounds >> >fantastic! I, >> >presume, you do have the sound forge noise reduction plug in, so if >> >you do, then >> >you're going to find that it will do a magnificent job, especially if >> >you can get >> >it to sample the sound in such a way that it automatically picks the >> >"hiss," and/or >> >the "noise" it is suppose to hear, and not what you don't want it to >> >reduce like >> >the voice. Since you've recorded in SF before and know how to >> >reverse, what I do >> >is make a region for each side of each cassette, and then have sf >> >write those regions >> >to specific *.wav files, and then use something else to make the mp3s >> >at 32K or 32K >> >with vbr so the sound is as good as it should be. I record at >> >44,100Hz and then change >> >the sample rate to 22,050, (NOT RESAMPLE) just change the sample rate >> >so the pitch >> >halves, to resample would not change the pitch but you'd loose >> >quality, and then >> >apply noise reduction since the noise you wish for the NR to hear >> >would be at the >> >correct pitch as well. >> >I hope some of this rambling helps. You can change the amount of >> >noise reduction >> >in the nr reduction plug-in, rather than use the preset of "0.250 >> >seconds (a quarter >> >second) (for fast computers) and then, since it's mode 1, you can >> >then change the >> >amount of supression in db. The "sample noise" checkbox should be >> >checked, and when >> >you first have it sample a noise, it auto unchecks itself since the >> >nr plug-in has >> >found the sample and made it's configuration and to that noise it's >> >sampled, it's >> >set. Change the db slider to, let's say, minus 40 DB and while >> >listening to the "preview" >> >you'll be amazed how wonderfully it will work. Then, save the >> >setting, but make sure, >> >before you save that setting, that the sample checkbox is then, >> >checked, since if >> >you use that setting in the future for another minus 40 db sample, >> >you wish it to >> >sample at least a quarter second of noise automatically, and by >> >default. Many guys >> >forget that checkbox and figure that since the slider is set for >> >minus 40 db, it >> >will get rid of the noise, forgetting that it needs to sample first >> >some noise before >> >it can apply it's magic to what you wish it to hear, not a voice or >> >music. Plan to >> >use a selected part of the noise when you make the nr plug-in hear >> >noise, (the beginning >> >of each side of a book is plenty of room for it) and you'll be really >> >pleased, I >> >guarantee. >> >That dec, will make a huge difference though the handi-cassette is >> >good one track >> >at a time, even has better or less cross talk one track at a time, >> >but is tedious >> >that way. Recording off that dec in your garage (when you set it up) >> >the right channel >> >is tracks 4 and 3 sides 1 and 2 of the tape, and you know that if you >> >first record >> >1 cassette, that if you press tab it will put the left channel by >> >itself into a way >> >which you can work with separately. Press tab until you hear only the >> >right channel, >> >then reverse it all at once. Then you should down sample, normalize, >> >noise reduce, >> >make regions for sides (which for best results should be noise >> >reduced separately) >> >and then have sf make your *.wav files. >> >Getting to those sliders for minus db can be problematic, though, >> >fortunately I have jfw 5.0 and it's native sound forge configuration >> >files, so the sliders can be found. You must play around a good bit >> >in the plug-in configuration, trying up and down arrow to find out >> >which field(s) get changed, but when you do and learn which does >> >change that slider from about minus 12.5 db which is a default >> >setting when using the preset for "fast computers with 250 >> >millisecond capture, you then will be amazed how well it works, >> >again, especially, if it just hears noise such as tape hiss or hum >> >before the recording begins. >> >I hope all this helps. Take care and write to let me know how you're >> >doing. >> >Curtis Delzer >> > >> >At 02:06 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >> >Thanks for the outstanding advice regarding the plug-in and the >> >handi-cassette. I knew it was a piece of something unmentionable when >> >it >> >came to reproducing stereo sound; I need to hunt up my old cassette deck >> >stored in a box in the garage, and I'll do that this weekend. >> >I wonder if we could communicate via e-mail off list so I can get a >>somewhat >> >better handle on how to even begin to use that plug-in. I can't even >> >get >> >the auto trim crop to trim the silence off both ends of the recording >> >appropriately--obviously operator incompetence alive, well, and at work >> >in >> >front of my keyboard. <smile> >> >Again, Curtis, thanks for replying. I know it took time out of your >> >life, >> >and silly and goofy as it sounds, any time I get a reply from anyone, >> >it's >> >kind of a significant thing, especially when I stop and recognize how >> >busy >>I >> >get and how easy it is to just say "poor slob; hope someone somewhere >> >can >> >figure that out for him," and hit the delete key. So when I say thanks >> >for >> >writing back, I truly am grateful. >> >Where do I even go to activate the plug-in? I assume I have to select >> >some >> >tape hiss; that's easy enough to do. >> >And do you do that before or after you resample? >> >Nolan Crabb >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] or >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ >> >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >] >> >On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer >> >Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:18 AM >> >To: PC audio discussion list. >> >Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions >> >Sorry, but the HANDI-CASSETTE has a lot of cross talk by default, >> >and nothing in sound forge can correct this. A better way is to use a >> >regular stereo cassette dec and record tracks 1 and 4, then turn the >> >cassette over and then record sides 2 and 3. This will make a file >> >about an hour and a half long, (probably closer to about 84 or 85 >> >minutes give or take). In SF you can press tab and get to either the >> >left or right side, and you wish to reverse the right channel as you >> >know. If you have the SF noise reduction plut-in, it is superlative >> >at getting rid of the hiss. The commercial cassette stereo recorder >> >has a much better cross talk capability, even a non expensive one. >> >Somehow, the HANDI-CASSETTE, in stereo, is pretty lousy in this >> >regard. If you use the sound forge noise reduction plut-in, use a >> >facility in it which lets you sample the hiss in such a way that it >> >is beyond the beginning of the tape and just before the narrator >> >begins, and save the setting. You can tweak the settings to get that >> >hiss up to 99 db below what it is, and if you do it right, the hiss >> >will be virtually gone leaving the recording even better than the >> >original, I know, I've done it several hundred times. >> >Good luck! >> >Curtis Delzer >> >At 05:18 PM 1/3/2006, you wrote: >> > >Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. >> > > >> > >I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in >> > my >>Book >> > >Port. So here's the question: >> > > >> > >I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of >> > the >> > >crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using >> > a >> > >handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then >>reverse >> > >tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is >> > normal, >> > >combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later >> > suck >>into >> > >the Book Port. >> > > >> > >How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the >> > hiss >>if >> > >not the crosstalk? >> > > >> > >Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. >> >Trust >> > >me, I get that already! >> > > >> > >Thanks for any help you can give. >> > > >> > >Nolan Crabb >> > > >> > > >> > >_______________________________________________ >> > >PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> > > >> >http://www.pc-audio.org >> > > >> > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >> > >This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. 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You need to tinker with the decibel setting - >> > >somewhere between -30 and -35 worked best for me without cutting off >> > >the speech at the end of phrases, and you still get crosstalk >> > >sometimes during the speech, but it made a big difference in the final >> > >product. >> > > >> > >I endorse Curtis's suggestion (posted later) of using a commercial >> > >stereo cassette deck, and resampling and reversing tracks to get the >> > >final result. It's a little more technically intensive, but the >> > >results are worth it. I would love to know Curtis's secret for >> > >removing as much hiss as he does with Noise Reduction. I could never >> > >achieve those results, which I am sure is more a comment on the >> > >operator than on the product. >> > > >> > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: "Nolan Crabb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" <Pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> > >Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:18 PM >> > >Subject: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions >> > > >> > > >> > >Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. >> > > >> > >I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my >> > >Book >> > >Port. So here's the question: >> > > >> > >I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of >> > >the >> > >crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a >> > >handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then >> > >reverse >> > >tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is >> > >normal, >> > >combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck >> > >into >> > >the Book Port. >> > > >> > >How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the >> > >hiss if >> > >not the crosstalk? >> > > >> > >Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. >> > >Trust >> > >me, I get that already! >> > > >> > >Thanks for any help you can give. >> > > >> > >Nolan Crabb >> > > >> > > >> > >_______________________________________________ >> > >PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> > >http://www.pc-audio.org >> > > >> > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >> > >This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. 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