Hi Keith Larry and(apologies) someone else whose email I've just deleted by accident who said they could use the multitrack view without scripts with the Jaws and Window eyes cursors, Yes, one can navigate the multitrack screen with only the jaws cursor (I've not used Window eyes), but the scripts make things much easier and more fluent. Information is given which is pertinent as to where you are in the screen, and the screen scrolls down with you if ;you use tracks outwith the screen. The edit view is also enhanced by scripts but is fairly accessible the way it is. As far as I can guage the scripts stopped working for me in an early version 7 of jaws, so you would need to load this if you wished to use the multitrack screen The scripts can be found in: http://www.kulgan.net/mick/programming/ What I've said above applies to earlier versions of Audition too (ver 1). Scripts are also available for the predecessor of Audition, Cool Edit Pro 1, 2 and 2.1. I always found they worked well for me. While these programs have a degree of accessibility the scripts make things easier. Now Larry, as you say version 2 is out for Audition but it is not accessible with scripts. The interface was changed significantly and the writer of the scripts (see webpage above) is not willing to write new ones. When I contacted him a while ago he said he would be willing to support someone who knew scripting and wanted to try their hand at changing them. I did not purchase the upgrade to version 2 when I heard this - it may be that the edit view is still accessible without scripts but the multitrack view certainly isn't easy to negotiate (according to others) In my mind I've settled on remaining with Audition 1.5 as it really does all anyone who is working with sound wants to use. It's comprehensive and for a while anyway one could stay with it quite happily. Of course when Vista becomes the norm upgrading will be difficult. I have a number of four track session files for the multitrack view and find working with Audition quite satisfactory. I believe m-track is another cheaper program which is fairly accessible for multitracking but I'm not so sure if it is as well stocked with features as Audition. Regarding noise reduction and audio restoration, most things can be done well with either Audition or DC6, depending on the file. I've never used Sound Forge's Noise Reduction package although it sounds good
Recently I've been investigating the Terratech vinyl and tape pre-amplifier which helps give a good clean signal before it goes into the computer, then their software cleans the resultant file. I've heard good things about their software but don't know yet whether it's accessible. Regards. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Gillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:36 PM Subject: Re: Sound Forge With Window-Eyes > HI G! > > Are you saying that the scripts aren't necessary for earlier versions of > Audition but they are necessary for version 1.5? > Also, could you post a location where one could get the latest scripts? > > Thanks.Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "G. McFarlane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: Sound Forge With Window-Eyes > > > Hi again Larry > Don't forget if you decide on Audition 1.5 you'll need the scripts, a good > manual andJaws 7 (as later version create problems especially in the > multitrack view. > Gordon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:51 AM > Subject: Re: Sound Forge With Window-Eyes > > >> Actually, I've never tried audition. That is a good thought. Since I work >> with records ranging from home recorded 78s to albums in mint condition >> to >> 45s and cassettes, and open reels that threaten to fall apart with every >> touch, I like to have aa wide assortment of editors on hand. It's been my >> experience that different editors can work better with different media. >> Thanks again for the idea. >> >> Larry >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "G. McFarlane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:12 PM >> Subject: Re: Sound Forge With Window-Eyes >> >> >>> Hi Again Larry >>> Have you considered Adobe Audition 1.5 (the latest is pretty >>> inaccessible) >>> It works on all fronts including multitrack recording and playback, up >>> till >>> jaws 7.0 or 7.1 Even selecting is fairly easy. Its noise reduction >>> andpop/click remover, and its clip restoration if over recorded are >>> good - >>> each of these and of course the other filters and exciters, etc. are >>> accessible and fairly flexible as to adjustment. Probably DC6 has the >>> edge >>> on cleaning, but if you happen to hit upon the right combination in >>> Audition >>> it can sometimes work better than the opposition. It's also pretty >>> navigable >>> when it comes to files. >>> Apologies if you know it already. >>> Gordon >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Larry N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: Sound Forge With Window-Eyes >>> >>> >>>> Hi Gordon. Unfortunately I don't have any suggestions to offer in that >>>> regard. This is why I'm looking at adding something else to my system. >>>> I'd >>>> like to continue using DC6, of course, but I'm also looking for >>>> something >>>> that will allow me a bit more flexibility, both in adjusting filters >>>> and >>>> in >>>> automating certain restoration aspects. I considered Sound Forge, but >>>> aside >>>> from the filters added in with Noise reduction 2.0, I see no advantages >>>> for >>>> someone who works with records of all types as well as cassettes. I do >>>> use >>>> GoldWave a lot, but fI would like to see if there is something out >>>> there >>>> that will offer that sort of accessibility with a bit more speed. >>>> >>>> Larry >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "G. McFarlane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 1:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Sound Forge With Window-Eyes >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Larry >>>>> It's not the most intuitive but you have to use the Jaws Cursor. I >>>>> don't >>>>> use >>>>> it much but when I have it's been easy to clean up and excite a file. >>>>> If >>>>> you're used to DC6 you may just prefer using this and your experience >>>>> of >>>>> which filter is good at which point. Mentor is just trying to automate >>>>> the >>>>> process. You click with the jaws cursor on the start button (sighted >>>>> help >>>>> may be necessary at first to label them) - once you're in the program >>>>> instructions are on screen and you click on the appropriate buttons. >>>>> After >>>>> a >>>>> few minutes of experimenting and understanding the logic of the >>>>> buttons >>>>> you >>>>> can choose to clean with different recommended filters and to excite >>>>> or >>>>> enhance with appropriate filters. If you like to tweak that's possible >>>>> too. >>>>> It's a good resource for bringing in files from external sources and >>>>> cleaning them fairly easily. Sometimes it's just better to use DC6 >>>>> itself. >>>>> Can I ask you how you navigate long files in DC6. I tend to cut them >>>>> in >>>>> Audition before loading them into DC6. I haven't found an easy way to >>>>> select >>>>> areas in DC6. Have you? >>>>> While working through the dialog boxes of filters is easy I also have >>>>> difficulty in using the multi filter option. It seemsto involve a bit >>>>> of >>>>> dragging and dropping. I usually settle for using the presets which in >>>>> themselves are pretty good. Have you a way of using the multitab >>>>> filter? >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Gordon >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Larry N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:41 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Sound Forge With Window-Eyes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Gordon, I did look at Audio Mentor, but couldn't make any sense of >>>>>> it. >>>>>> In >>>>>> many cases Window-Eyes and Jaws just spoke the word button. I could >>>>>> open >>>>>> an >>>>>> audio file, both the demo and one of mine, but couldn't seem to do >>>>>> anything >>>>>> with it. Is this an ap that should work with audio files right out of >>>>>> the >>>>>> box? LOL, maybe it's me, but I get more spoken feedback with DC6 >>>>>> itself. >>>>>> And >>>>>> you're right, it's a fine audio editor. >>>>>> >>>>>> Larry >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "G. McFarlane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:19 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Sound Forge With Window-Eyes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>> If it's dC6 it's found on >>>>>>> www.tracertek.com >>>>>>> This site not only contains much software which is good for noise >>>>>>> reduction >>>>>>> but also much excellent equipment, usually with good offers. >>>>>>> Gordon >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Gary Petraccaro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:56 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Sound Forge With Window-Eyes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> Just in case it isn't obvious, do you have a site for it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Larry N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:17 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Sound Forge With Window-Eyes >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's audio editing software. I like it a lot, though some on this >>>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>> that it isn't accessible. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Larry >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Gary Petraccaro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:09 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Sound Forge With Window-Eyes >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> dc6? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Larry N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:51 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Sound Forge With Window-Eyes >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I perform Audio Restoration on records and cassettes before >>>>>>>>>>>transferring >>>>>>>>>>> them to CD. As this is what I do professionally, I want to >>>>>>>>>>> perform >>>>>>>>>>> such >>>>>>>>>>> tasks both quickly and with a level of precision that customers >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>>>>> to expect. Will that aspect of Sound Forge work efficiently with >>>>>>>>>>> Window-eyes >>>>>>>>>>> without additional set files? 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