I agree with you in all respects other than blind people being any better or worse than other people in any respects.
bruce -- Bruce Toews Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LiveJournal: http://brucetola.livejournal.com Radio Show and Podcast: http://www.totw.net Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I agree there are plenty of people who seem to like to complain even > though they don't know what they're talking about, but I don't think the > blind are any more prone to doing this than the general population. I > would like to think that the blind are better than the general > population in many respects, but I think the fact of the matter is that > we're all human and that includes the bad along with the good. I'd like > to say I get a laugh out of people who paint the blind with such broad > strokes, but I resent stereotyping like this whether it comes from > within the disabled community or without. > > On another subject, I've seen people praising Apple for their attention > to accessibility, and although the iPod and the iPhone may have some > features built into them with accessibility in mind, the fact of the > matter is that these products came to the market and were not > accessible. I realize that not every product will be accessible, and I'm > not sure every product needs to be, but I really don't think Apple is > any better than any other company with respect to making their products > accessible. > > I also must admit, I don't always see the appeal of the Apple products, > other than they are stylish. I've had Creative alternatives to the iPod > Shuffle, an iRiver MP3 player running Rockbox and a cell phone running a > screen reader with an MP3 player, digital camera and a bunch of other > features. All of these products are less expensive than their Apple > counterparts, and are generally much more accessible. > > Dane Trethowan wrote: >> I must admit, I get a good laugh out of some people who just hunt >> around for excuses without actually reading fact, I guess that's the >> "blind" for you, easier to knock something than read or research >> something or try something. >> The I phone I admit is not perfect but neither are a million other >> products but yet most are usable with a little forethought, at the >> present stage the Ip phone cannot be used by a totally blind person >> because of the nature of its design and in a previous message I >> posted a way that this problem could be rectified. I also said that >> if you went to the pages pertaining to the I Phone, you could bring >> up the Accessability pages and you would discover that many >> accessability features have been built-in to help people including >> people with low vision, deafness etc. I'll be perfectly frank with >> all of you, as I'm deaf-blind, I may consider purchasing this phone >> in the future for the main benefit of accessing its "TTY" >> capabilities. Obviously I'm not going to waste my money until I find >> out how these work but as I use a "TTY" allot of my time then this >> feature (assuming I can get it to work somehow) will be highly useful >> for my communications needs etc. >> >> On 19/07/2007, at 11:38 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: >> >> Yup. If your visually impaired you might be able to squint and see the >> phone. Just another way to burn out what vision you may have left. >> >> It's really too bad though, as a simple MP3 talk clip style TTS of >> each menu >> and function would make this phone a real option for blind folk...Keith >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:50 AM >> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >> >> >> Indeed and you'll find that Apple have done everything as far as the >> design allows to build accessability into this phone, go and look up >> I Phone accessability and you'll find at least 2 pages listing >> accessability features on this device. >> >> On 19/07/2007, at 4:41 PM, Gary Wood wrote: >> >> Well if Apple says that they want to put accessible products in the >> blind >> marketplace, we should call them on this issue. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Don Ball" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 PM >> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >> >> >> >>> maybe it has a touch screen like the I Phone. Still don't know why >>> blindness >>> organizations aren't calling them on that but I gues they don't >>> fill that >>> is >>> worth the trouble. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Keith Gillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >>> >>> >>> Thankfully yes! >>> >>> The majority of the sighted market. >>> >>> definitely not the accessible market >>> >>> I've been using a 120 gig hard drive on an accessible jukebox for >>> three >>> years now. >>> >>> It's nice to see that Apple is finally catching up. >>> >>> kG. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >>> >>> >>> Well yep, I get that from my phone too but I don't get a 120 gig hard >>> drive and I'm afraid that I'm not going to lose any sleep whatsoever >>> if Apple doesn't bother with speech on an Ipod, with luck there may >>> be Rockbox for the 6th generation and here's hoping but even if their >>> isn't, I can still use my Ipods quite happily and as far as I know, >>> the "wheel" interface will stay the same so no, sorry, its not the >>> end of the world and yep, thankfully, Apple are acting for a majority >>> in the market. >>> >>> On 19/07/2007, at 9:19 AM, Keith Gillard wrote: >>> >>> Sorry dude! >>> >>> Not impressed. I get all this from my smart phone and Rockbox. >>> >>> Now, if your telling me that Apple is going to launch the promised >>> speech >>> capabilities of Ipods, then I will really be impressed...KG >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "PC audio discussion list." <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:29 PM >>> Subject: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >>> >>> >>> Ok, that's what today's press here is writing about and what's so >>> good about this. 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