Hi Albert.

The praise would be high for Aac Plus on Live365 as the Aac Plus format is 
very good at delivering a decent sound quality at very low bitrates.  This 
will not approach a lossless format and, if in the future you decided to go 
to another format, you would lose more quality in trying to convert from Aac 
Plus.

Here's a brief summary of the "messing" with the sound that Aac Plus does to 
achieve it's goal of providing cheap internet radio:
AacPlus works by combining three technologies, each of which shrinks the 
size of an audio signal. The first
is AAC, the Advanced Audio Coding technique that Apple licensed from Dolby 
for iTunes. AAC analyzes the sound and throws away any data it knows human 
ears
won't be able to hear, which is a lot. Then, aacPlus adds
Spectral Band Replication,
which strips out all of the music's high frequencies and replaces them with 
a tiny bit of analytical data. AacPlus players reconstruct the highs as a 
mathematical
function of what's left. As a final space-saving trick, aacPlus tracks are 
recorded in
parametric stereo.
Instead of a left and a right channel, one channel is the sum of the left 
and right signals (L+R), and the other is their difference (L-R). This takes 
up
less bandwidth, and the player can easily flip the two channels back to the 
original left and right.

Regards.

Kevin
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> The have high praise for AAC on the Live 365 pages.
>
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> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
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> Subject: Re: Output format tips needed:
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> Yep, an excellent format actually, if you want to hear how good it is then
> you can hear AAC+ streams at http://www.tuner2.com but I'm not sure 
> whether
> its as good as a lossless format such as FLAC, as far as I'm aware AAC+
> isn't a lossless format so that being the case, there's going to be some
> sort of sound degradation.
>
> On 03/09/2007, at 3:50 AM, albert griffith wrote:
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> I'm looking in to that format as well, thanks.
>
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> i would also recomand Aac plus the file size is smaller and sounds just as
> good if not better then wma. lossless.
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>> Kevin, thanks for the Info.  I'm doing quite a bit of research because
>> the project is rather large and I can't afford to make mistakes.  Once
>> the disks are sold, I'm left with the copies, no matter the quality of
>> the conversion.
>>
>>
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>> On Behalf Of Kevin Lloyd
>> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 6:31 AM
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>> Subject: Re: Output format tips needed:
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>> Hi.
>>
>> If you're looking to retain exact audio copies of your CD's before
>> selling them then you'll need to use a lossless format.  I'd recommend
>> lossless WMA and using windows media player to rip your CD's rather
>> than nero.
>>
>> As you're probably aware, next to MP3, WMA is the most commonly
>> supported format.  It's also a proprietary microsoft format and I
>> don't see microsoft going away any day soon so the longevity of the
>> format should be guaranteed over any other.
>>
>> Lossless formats take up around 50 to 75% of the original CDDA
>> equivalent so you'll need a lot of disc space to hold 650 CD's.  I've
>> currently got around 700 CD's ripped in lossless format and they're
>> taking up just over 270GB of disc space.  You'll also need to back up
>> your hard drive because if you have a hard drive failure, you're going
>> to want to get your music back from your saves.  I currently use 3
>> hard drives, a master and 2 back up drives.
>>
>> WAV files will take up more space than lossless WMA or FLAC files and
>> they don't support ID3 tags so I would disuade you of using this
>> format.  They don't sound any better than lossless formats either so I
>> don't see why anyone would  waste disc space on this format.
>>
>> If you use windows media player to rip your collection you'll be able
>> to set it up to automatically start ripping when you insert a CD and
>> eject it on completion.  I don't think you can do this with nero but I
>> could be wrong.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Kevin
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>>> I have 650 audio disks I plan to rip to my external drive.  Since I'm
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>>> but I can't  afford to make duplicates in CDA format.  I'd also like
>>> to be in a  position  to change the format if a new one comes along
>>> that's enough better to  justify it.  I plan to use, Nero 7 Ultra
>>> Edition and rip to flak but I'm  open to all suggestions.  also, I've
>>> used Roxio products for years but I  switched because the latest
>>> version of their program was less accessible  than Nero.  therefore,
>>> if anyone has a tutorial or general configuration  tips, I'd love to
>>> hear them.  Thanks in advance.
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