On a similar subject about file conversion, is there a program that
will
convert wma to mp3? How much quality is lost in the process?
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Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:52 PM
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Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats
Thanks all for the information. I personally didn't interpret "do not
decompile, disassemble, or reverse engineer the Audible Content" as
prohibiting me from converting the media format. Maybe if it had said
electronic content instead of "audible content" I might have
interpreted
it differently. After all, you are allowed to download it, stream it
and
write it to CD for your own personal use. Granted, I might have read
this with a pair of rose colored glasses on.
I guess my main point was two fold. First, I saw quite a few sites
which
claimed that their product was a legal way to convert Audible files
into
other formats and other sites which talked about what was and wasn't
legal given Audible's terms and conditions, the DMAC, fair use and
court
cases, which lead me to believe that it isn't clear what is and isn't
legal in this case.
Second, as others have stated on this list, I doubt any company or law
enforcement agency would prosecute anyone who was making copies for
their own personal use and was scrupulous about making sure those
copies
didn't end up in anyone else's hands. Note that I also feel it's clear
that sharing these files, even with a few friends, is illegal, although
maybe not unethical.
Richard Claypool wrote:
Hi,
there is fair use, but the digital molenium copyright act prohibits
breaking encryption on files. This has been one of the complaints of
people for ages that they can't make a personal backup of say a dvd
for thier own use because it violates the DMCA.
Rick
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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats
Bruce,
This is an intelligent but very literal reading. I don't know about
Canada, but in the US, copyright law has a fair use exception. There
is really nothing to stop an individual from making copies or
otherwise using products they own for their own purposes. I assume
the manufacturer's purpose behind the provision you quote is to
discourage dissemination of these materials. But if individuals don't
have that intention, I doubt the manufacturer would have any reason
to care. Correct me if I'm overlooking something. All that said, I
share your concern that we all respect copyrighted materials and use
them only for ourselves and maybe a friend or two.
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From: "Bruce Toews" <br...@ogts.net>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats
It says you shall not modify or disassemble the content.
Bruce
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
I'm not sure this is true. I may not be able to interpret all of the
legal jargon, but I think Audible's terms and conditions plus "fair
use" in the US would allow you to convert Audible books into another
format for your own personal use.
Audible's terms and conditions at
http://www.audible.com/adbl/faqs/terms.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes say the
following:
6. Grants of Licenses
a. Audible Content License. When you "clickout" or otherwise
"purchase" (referred to herein, collectively as "Purchase") Audible
Content from the Audible Service, Audible grants you a limited,
revocable, non-exclusive, non-transferable license to download or
stream such Audible Content to your computer and/or your Device(s)
solely for your personal non-commercial use. You shall not copy,
reproduce, distribute or use the Audible Content in any other manner.
You shall not sell, transfer, lease, modify, distribute or publicly
perform the Audible Content in any manner and you shall not exploit
it commercially. Do not (A) decompile, disassemble, or reverse
engineer the Audible Content or attempt to do so; or (B) modify the
Audible Content or create any derivative works therefrom. This
license to the Audible Content you Purchase will continue for as long
as your copy of Audible Content exists pursuant to and in accordance
with the terms and conditions of this Agreement.
In doing some searching on the web, there are quite a few sites that
say converting Audible books to MP3 is legal in the US under "fair
use" while others say that Audible's terms and conditions preclude
doing this. I'm not sure that I've seen anything definitive on either
side though. A lot of people say it's illegal without quoting any
laws or T&C's, while others say it can't be illegal due to "fair
use", but I'm not sure they understand "fair use" or not. For my
part, I would think it is legal to convert and Audible file to MP3,
but I would not give this MP3 file to anyone or place it anywhere
where anyone else to get to it. If you do this, I doubt a law
enforcement agency here in the US would go after you.
Bruce Toews wrote: It can't be legally done. The terms of service to
which you agreed prohibit it.
Bruce
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Sylvia wrote:
Hi list, I recently joined Audible, and I wanted to find out if there
are any programs that will allow you to convert Audible files to the
mp3 format. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Sylvia.
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