Re: It's Still Stealing

[Bob Seed]

Some of you might recall hearing about the payola scandal of the 50's and 
60's where DJ's were actually paid cash for the launching and promotion of a 
hit single that a record company deemed to be a hit. Then there are the 
countless number of song writhers who have never been paid fairly for their 
work, so as you can see record companies are no angels either. Even 
musicians are saying enough is enough, and it is for this reason that many 
of them are going independent making their music available on line as a free 
download or for a price that is resonable for the consumer.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <djdoct...@att.net>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing

High Bob,
I wasn't gonna brake this on the list, but after talking it over with my 
wife, here it is.
Long before I got back in to radio, I worked at clubs.
I have had super stars to walk up to me and put their CD's and records in 
my hands and tell me to play them.
Super stars like Jennet Jackson Luther Vandross The Pet Shop Boys just to 
name a few.
I came by allot of autographed CD's and records that way.
Now, I am telling you all that these CD's and records were given to me by 
the stars that made them.
Tom, are you gonna tell me that I stole these CD's and records from the 
super stars that gave them to me?
 John.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Seed" <bobs...@tbaytel.net>
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing


Having worked at a radio station for 30 plus years I can tell you first 
hand that it is quite common for music directors to give CD's away to 
their staff. Record companies will often send out duplicate copies of the 
hottest releases hoping that they get into the hands of as many people as 
possible. and then there are the CD'S    that will never make it to air, 
as they are inferior in quality. If I received a full length CD I would 
usually chuck the promo CD single. My daughter would fish them out of the 
waste basket and take them home and would make a little pocket change by 
selling them on ebay. As these are promo CD's they often come with their 
unique identification number such as PRCD0001. Record collectors will go 
out of their way to pick up promo CD's, as they know that some day they 
just might be collectors items. Getting free music from a radio station 
could be considered as a perk in the industry. I would much rather prefer 
people taking CD's home and burning them as aposed to ripping me off. 
Radio stations don't usually get a break when purchasing full length CD'S 
from a record company. We pay an annual subscription fee that entitles us 
to receive promotional CD'S with multiple tracks. Some of those tracks 
will be hit material and will be put into rotation for air play. There 
are times when I have received promo CD's with only one good song that I 
know will make the charts. In that case you dub the music selection and 
put it in rotation and dump the promo CD. It is very common for a radio 
station to receive upwards to 100 new releases a week, and out of those 
100 releases you are lucky if 2% of those songs ever see the light of 
day. So, the bottom line is that it is better to get the facts before you 
decide to lynch the guy. If his boss gives him a promo CD so be it. Now 
if he decides to sell that CD to a used record store and the record store 
sells that same CD to an unknowing consumer that is where I have a 
problem. It will usually say on the CD not for retail sale. In order to 
regain confidence in the marketplace record companies are, in some cases 
re releasing old nuggets on vinyl, and as part of the package are 
enclosing a CD copy of that same recording. Believe it or not vinyl seems 
to be making a come back. There is something to be said about the 
warmness of vinyl that you can't duplicate with CD'S. .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <djdoct...@att.net>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing


Hello James and others,
I was accused by Tom of stealing because I make copies of CD's that my 
boss orders for his radio station.
Sometimes, he orders more CD's then we really need.
He lets us pick and choose what we want and take them home with us.
I am telling you all right out, that my boss gives us CD's.
So if he's giving them to us, then how are we stealing them from him?
And precise, everybody has taped music off the radio and movies and 
other shows off the TV using tape recorders and VCR's.
Tom, you're guilty of this too, so you don't really have anything to say 
about it.
There isn't a person on the face of this earth that hasn't done it.
People have been doing it for ages, and we are still doing it.
The only thing that has changed about it, is the digital recorders have 
pretty much replaced the analog recorders.
This day and age, you can record a song off the radio using your cell 
phone to do it.
People are doing that too as well.
I reiterate, my boss gives me the green light to do it.
I do ask!
But let the truth be told, some of my coworkers will bring in their Zoom 
and or iPod touch and load them up with music from the mane computer in 
the control room.
And the boss doesn't know they're doing it!
Their attitude is, if it's there, then why not help yourself to it?
But in and of myself, if I want something, I'll ask for it.
If I ask for it, and it is given to me, then I can't be stealing it.
 John.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Homuth" <ja...@the-jdh.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing


Well, then, folks are just going to have to look for alternatives. 
Which
means more of that stuff you call stealing. Either way, the government 
still
gets it wrong and BARD only further proves why 20th century business
practices don't work in a 21st century industry.

-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org 
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell
Sent: April 18, 2010 11:52 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing

But Bard is funded by Congress, not exactly the most liberal or
understanding of organizations.  If they hear from their "constituants" 
not
generally us, they'll pull the plug.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <ja...@the-jdh.com>
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing


Sure, if you believe BARD. Unfortunately, they're borrowing talking
points from the recording industry. And those talking points have been
debunked 6 ways from Sunday.

-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell
Sent: April 18, 2010 11:42 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing

Actually, the consequences of wide spread piracy from outlets like
Bard will be the elimination of the service.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <ja...@the-jdh.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing


Apple tried to do the exact same thing with their iTunes. They tried
limitting exactly what type of player you could put their music etc 
on
in the same way BARD is. The reasons that didn't work are the exact
same reasons BARD shouldn't be doing that either. If you get your
hands on something, whether you have legal access to do so or not,
you're going to want to do whatever you want with that something.
Either put it on a CD, or copy it to something smaller than your
Victor Reader, or any number of things. And if someone wants to burn
that book to a CD, or do something else with it that BARD has decided
they're not allowed to, even though they have legal access to it,
people are just going to find less legal means to do so.
Rather than prop up and defend an out of date business model, people
should be pushing companies like BARD to get caught up with the rest
of the world and actually give people a choice as to what to do with
their acquisitions.

-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell
Sent: April 18, 2010 11:28 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing

But with Bard, you're not permitted to share and you have to qualify
for their service by being blind and having a player that they 
authroize.
There
is a specific exception in the copyright law for Bard and Bookshare
type services.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mitchell" <mitchellgre...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing


I'm with you man, if it is steeling then why is it all rite to use
bard with the book players, because you are downloading the books.
Then you are not giving them back. Not a problem as far as I am
concerned.
Mitchell

-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:09 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing

Ok, so you say, "it's still stealing."
Then you tell me, why are there still some websites that lets you
download music and audio books without having to pay anything for 
it?
Yes these sites still exist, and people are downloading music and
audio books without having to pay a dime for it.
Explain that one to me, if you can!
 John.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <t...@pc-audio.org>
To: <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:49 AM
Subject: It's Still Stealing


It's still stealing whether or not your boss gives you permission 
to
copy it.

Tom

** Message From: DJ DOCTOR P **
>High Tom,
>I don't do it unless my boss gives me the green light to
do it.
>If he says yes, then I do it.
>But if he says no, then it doesn't happen.


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