If I walk into my local public library and check out a book the
librarian doesn't tell me which room in my house I can or cannot read
the book in. However with BARD they restrict qualified persons as to
which player the must use. The government is buying tons of those new
digital players and someone is making tons of money building and selling
them to the government and someone in said government is receiving
"incentives" to continue this practice? So does anyone not think it is
all about money?
-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:01 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
BARD is under the misguided impression that, even after you download
your
copy of a particular book, BARD still owns that copy. You have no legal
authority to do anything, considered legal or otherwise, with that copy.
Not
only is that incorrect, but it's also even more restrictive than even
the
most literally interpreted copyright law. Again, I'll use my example of
iTunes. You pay for a couple songs from iTunjes. They're now yours.
Apple no
longer owns those copies. You can put them on your iWhatever, burn them
to a
CD, do pretty much whatever you want with them. Not true with BARD. And
it's
business models like that that convince people to do things you would
call
stealing.
-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell
Sent: April 18, 2010 11:51 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
but from Bard, which was your example, you don't have permission.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mitchell"<mitchellgre...@gmail.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"<pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
That's absulootly rite, but after you qualify for the servis, and down
load
the file you still don't return it so if this all rite then how is tom
or
anyone who has someone's pramition to coppy a fyle then how is it
steeling?
Mitchell
-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:37 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Apple tried to do the exact same thing with their iTunes. They tried
limitting exactly what type of player you could put their music etc on
in
the same way BARD is. The reasons that didn't work are the exact same
reasons BARD shouldn't be doing that either. If you get your hands on
something, whether you have legal access to do so or not, you're going
to
want to do whatever you want with that something. Either put it on a
CD,
or
copy it to something smaller than your Victor Reader, or any number of
things. And if someone wants to burn that book to a CD, or do
something
else
with it that BARD has decided they're not allowed to, even though they
have
legal access to it, people are just going to find less legal means to
do
so.
Rather than prop up and defend an out of date business model, people
should
be pushing companies like BARD to get caught up with the rest of the
world
and actually give people a choice as to what to do with their
acquisitions.
-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell
Sent: April 18, 2010 11:28 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
But with Bard, you're not permitted to share and you have to qualify
for
their service by being blind and having a player that they authroize.
There
is a specific exception in the copyright law for Bard and Bookshare
type
services.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mitchell"<mitchellgre...@gmail.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"<pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
I'm with you man, if it is steeling then why is it all rite to use
bard with the book players, because you are downloading the books.
Then you are not giving them back. Not a problem as far as I am
concerned.
Mitchell
-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:09 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Ok, so you say, "it's still stealing."
Then you tell me, why are there still some websites that lets you
download music and audio books without having to pay anything for it?
Yes these sites still exist, and people are downloading music and
audio books without having to pay a dime for it.
Explain that one to me, if you can!
John.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom"<t...@pc-audio.org>
To:<pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:49 AM
Subject: It's Still Stealing
It's still stealing whether or not your boss gives you permission to
copy it.
Tom
** Message From: DJ DOCTOR P **
High Tom,
I don't do it unless my boss gives me the green light to
do it.
If he says yes, then I do it.
But if he says no, then it doesn't happen.
