Well I asked because I can't find what I'm looking for, and thought someone
else might have found something I missed. All I'm finding are either
high-quality recorders like my Olympus LS7 or your Zoom H1 that have none of
these editing features, or dictation recorders that have all these features,
but very poor sound quality. Is it really that unthinkable that someone who
wants dictation editing features might also want good sound? I did look on
some dictation equipment web sites, and one of them perfectly described what
a dictation recorder should be.
Digital Dictation Recorders are especially well-suited for physicians,
attorneys, investigators, and business users where it's a requirement to
accurately construct sentences and paragraphs as you go, for later
transcription. If you make a mistake, merely rewind, and play forward to
that point, then hit Record
and continue! A true "dictation" recorder lets you listen to what you
dictated, rewind and replay it, and make any changes to it as you go ("on
the fly editing"). You can insert a new sentence in the middle of an old
one, overwrite from a certain point onward, or go back to a dictation
created earlier in the day and modify or append to it. Digital dictation
recorders are perfect for dictating correspondence, reports, observations,
or any type of dictation needs. ("
Unfortunately, all the recorders they sell only record in highly compressed
formats. I do agree that index marks are very helpful if you have to do the
editing later on the computer, but it's so much easier to edit right as
you're recording. However, if what I want simply doesn't exist, can someone
suggest a good, accessible dictation recorder that has these features?
Perhaps the sound quality will be acceptable for some applications, and I
can use my LS7 for the rest. And by the way, you can easily append to a
cassette recording, provided the recording didn't go all the way to the end
of the side. Just go to the end of the recording, and continue from there.
I've often added new material to a cassette recording I made previously.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: Digital recorder with simple cassette features?
Well if you know so much about it all then what on earth did you waste our
time for in the first place <smile>.
You will find that many of those in the world of business who use
dictation in fact use audio editors to edit the result of their work, you
only have to look on various product web sites for dictation equipment and
software.
There are many people who would use say a Zoom H1 recorder for instance to
record their dictation and then either do 1 of 2 things, feed the audio
into a "Translator" or edit the audio thus illiminating unwanted portions
such as coughs, dictation errors etc.
In my previous message I described how a user could "Mark" a position
whilst recording, this is similar to what users of cassette dictation
machines could do, if memory serves me correctly the term was known as
"Indexing".
Our local Newspaper features a column called Bleeding Edge and this column
has reported on the subject of Dictation many times over the past 2 years.
Now be honest with yourself David, how can you "Append" to a cassette,
just think about it for a moment, you only have a length of tape to use so
if there's already material recorded on a tape when you continue recording
or record from a certain point this will be erased.
On 4/08/2013 9:08 AM, Dave Scrimenti wrote:
1st, you could both overwrite and append on cassettes. The only thing you
couldn't do is insert. 2nd, Olympus, Sony, and all makers of dictation
recorders know how valuable these features are, to easily correct
mistakes on the fly etc. As do the makers of professional music recorders
for computers, since Sonar, ProTools and every other one of them right
down to simple ones like Total Recorder have these features. To take a
bunch of separate files and edit them all together on a PC afterwords
would be unacceptable both in a dictation or a professional audio
situation. That's why these functions exist. In fact, Olympus considers
these capabilities essential on a dictation recorder. So I asked why they
weren't available on any of their high-quality audio models. And they
just said: we don't think you need them there. Again, the question was:
do you know of any digital recorders with insert, append, and overwrite
functions that are not using the highly compressed dictation formats? If
you do, please respond, even if you think these functions are useless. If
you don't, there's no need to give an opinion on whether or not you think
one needs these features. It's like someone asking you if you know of a
good Italian restaurant, and you answer with, I think you should eat
Chinese.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan"
<grtd...@internode.on.net>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Digital recorder with simple cassette features?
That sort of feature - overighting, inserting or appending has never
worried me as you've never ever been able to do nothing but Overight
with a conventional cassette recorder anyway.
If anyone can stretch their memory back that far <smile> they'll know
that you had a length of tape to record on, you did your recording and
if the end of the tape was reached then you had 2 choices, turn the tape
over and record on the other 2 tracks of the cassette or rewind the tape
and overight what you'd already recorded so the fact that digital
recorders start a new file each time a new recording is started is
nothing short of a feature sent from heaven as you run no risk of wiping
what yo've already recorded and the only limit you have to worry about
is just how much room in memory you have, I don't even think Minidisc
recorders offered an "Insert" or "Append" function, it was up to the
user with those recorders to combine or divide tracks where appropriate
and manipulate them thus.
So - given all that - let's see how you can use the present situation to
your advantage.
I use a Zoom H1 and one of the functions of that recorder is marking
"On-The-Fly", if you're recording you can insert a mark into the
recording thus when you load the recording into an editor such as
Goldwave or Amadeus Pro you can go to the markers you've made in your
recording.
Each new recording starts a new file so just use your sound editor on
your computer to load where appropriate, make new files with your editor
and import the files from your recorder adding them where necessary,
appending where necessary and inserting where necessary.
As for cheap digital audio recorders? Well I've had my Zoom H1 for 3
years and its still going strong, simple operation, no menu system and
cheap at under $100.00 though you may like to purchase the accessary
pack and I think that costs around $50.00 extra but well worth it.
On 04/08/2013, at 3:46 AM, Dave Scrimenti <dscri...@icloud.com> wrote:
Does anyone know of a good-sounding digital recorder that has the
simple features of a cheap cassette recorder such as overwrite and
append? I have an Olympus LS7 which makes fine recordings, but every
time you hit record, you start a new recording. Unbelievably, there's
no way to append, overwrite, or insert in to an existing recording. The
only Olympus models that have these obvious and necessary features are
on their dictation machines, which unfortunately only record in a
highly compressed format. I tried the Bookport DT, but it was so slow
in its responsiveness as to be almost unusable. If they improve the
processing power, it would be great.
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