Hey Danny. Yes it has been awhile!
I am a bit of a perfectionist too, so I'd be the wrong person to ask that 
question. But, as a consumer of audiobooks I would say that anything that 
annoys you probably annoys them too. Although, I pick up on things a lot more 
than even the blind people around me, I guess it comes with the territory!
Anyway, dry mouth or excessive swallowing is definitely a no-no  for me, I'm 
sure for you as well!
Talk soon
bb
-----Original Message-----
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:42 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks

Hi Brett.  Long time no speak - how are you?

Yes, I agree with you on the issue of over-editing.  I very rarely edit out 
breathing sounds, unless there's a particularly obvious catch in it, but I've 
rarely heard the little sounds of a moist mouth on other recordings so assume 
that it's more important to remove these.
I admit that I check all of my work with headphones, so I'm going to pick up 
every little detail, but if people are buying these narrations from places like 
Audible it's quite possible that they'll be listening on earpieces or 
headphones too.  As I'm a narrator rather than an audio publisher, I don't know 
how much most people will let you get away with.  Do you think I may be acting 
as a bit of a perfectionist?

Even if so, the sound of the Braille display cursor constantly flashing does 
irritate me, and I imagine it would frustrate others too.

Danny



On 3/10/15, Brett Boyer <bboyer...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi. I have done voice-over work as well and I am a Goldwave user.
> I am a former Sound Forge user but SF had too many bells and whistles 
> for me. I do all of my editing (and other folks as well) with Goldwave.
> I used SF a long time ago (before they got bought by Soni) and I saw 
> more and more accessibility slipping away.
> Once I found out about how Goldwave was really implementing accessible 
> features, and the fact that they seemed to actually care... I went 
> with Goldwave.
> Just as an example. I had a sighted co-worker at the radio station who 
> always made these little grunts and groans after she would read a sentence.
> It was very anoying to have to sift through every sentence and cut out 
> these little (sometimes erotic sounding sighs and moans) So, I don't 
> think it really matters what program your using as long as you're good 
> at editing and you have the ear and the patience to do it.
> I don't really know if my reply is any help, but there it is anyway!
> SF and Goldwave are great products. I'm not trying to start any kind 
> of debate...
> Just saying I was a Sound Forge user many many years ago and I have 
> been a proud GW user too!
> And, while reading this I have one more suggestion for those "editors" 
> out there. There is such a thing as over editing. Some people get too 
> friendly with deleting, and lose the rhythm of natural speech.
> I recall listening to a "Main Menu" show a few years back where 
> someone decided to cut out all breaths and pauses, they made the 
> presenter sound like a robot and it was unlistenable.
> So, just a heads-up!
> Jmt
> bb
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim 
> cumings
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:19 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
>
> Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound 
> forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up 
> mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should 
> think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee 
> sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic 
> microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation.
> \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote:
>> Hi Tina.  Thanks very much for this info.
>>
>> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable?
>> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated.  Of course 
>> buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of 
>> professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a 
>> significant advantage to it or not.
>>
>> Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the 
>> Sam broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave.  Is this 
>> advisable or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio 
>> editing package?
>>
>> Danny
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson <tinatee...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> Hello Danny,
>>>
>>> In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to 
>>> Jim Snowberger at:
>>>
>>> snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope 
>>> this helps.
>>>
>>> Tina
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Danny Miles
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
>>>
>>> Hi Jamie.  Thanks for your message.
>>>
>>> I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most 
>>> commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics.  I plug my mic into a mixer 
>>> rather than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions?
>>> I do use a pop shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but the 
>>> Braille display and mouth noises seem more evident than I expected.
>>>
>>> Also, I wasn't aware that there were Jaws scripts for Sound Forge.  
>>> I used SF before I started with GoldWave many years ago and, 
>>> generally, I think GoldWave works just as well.  However, if you can 
>>> please advise on how to obtain the scripts for SF it might be worth 
>>> contemplating.
>>>
>>> Many thanks, Danny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/10/15, Jamie Kelly <otrja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> You could try Sound Forge and with the Jaws scripts you can use the 
>>>> EQ, shift and pitch sliders Etc.
>>>>
>>>> If you have some vision, Adobe Audition is very good also if it's 
>>>> still available. Both these programs cost around $300 to $400 each.
>>>>
>>>> Also look at the type of mike your using.
>>>>
>>>> Jamie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Danny Miles
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015 9:09 PM
>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone.  I wonder if anybody can please advise.
>>>>
>>>> I currently record using a broadcasting encoder and edit my content 
>>>> using GoldWave.  However, I'm having significant issues with the 
>>>> presence of mouth clicks and the constant sounds of my Braille 
>>>> display as I move from line to line (or as the cursor flashes).
>>>>
>>>> I find that GoldWave's editing options are generally too weak to 
>>>> have any impact or too aggressive to leave a high-quality recording.
>>>> I currently have Depopper; could this be used to remove the issues 
>>>> described above (and also the hiss of room ambience)?  If so, any 
>>>> advice on particular settings would be appreciated.  If not, can 
>>>> anybody please make any other suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks, Danny
>>>>
>>>>
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