I’ll have to check that, was quite some time ago and I have to admit to not upgrading or paying any attention since I bought and used it for a little while.
> On 2 Jul 2015, at 11:34 am, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona > <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote: > > nice what version of protools? > > > On 7/1/2015 6:23 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> So you too have a Fastrak? Wonder if its the same model as mine. >> >> Bought mine several years ago, came with an extremely useful version of >> Pro-tools, accessible on both Windows PC and Mac. >> >> >> >> On 2/07/2015 11:20 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>> Oh yeah I understand. Thanks for the clarification anyways. I knew what you >>> meant by audio interface because that's what things like the MAudio >>> Fastrack are called. I saw that on wwwsweetwater.com. So I was all like >>> oooooo fancy shmancy word for a pro sound card. Then I said why not just >>> call it that? A soundcard. For that's what it is. A pro 1 but a soundcard >>> none the less. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >>> Trethowan >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:43 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio >>> Daily >>> >>> Just to clear up any confusion, its the audio device you’re using that >>> determines what the quality of the audio will be thus the software you’re >>> using - in this case Total Recorder - gets the information from Windows and >>> the connected audio Hardware. >>> >>> In my case if I wish to record at 192K 24 bit I’d go into Total Recorder >>> for this example, select Recording Source And Parameters from the Options >>> Menu and then select the Hardware device I wish to record from, from there >>> I’d select “Change” to set the recording format which would be to PCM High >>> Quality and then I’d select the attributes from the combo box, 24 bit >>> 192KHZ. >>> >>> >>>> On 2 Jul 2015, at 10:36 am, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ah okay. Than who ever the dude that first told me about it and gave me >>>> the link to it was was wrong than. Cause who ever that was said it would >>>> only do 48 KHZ 16 bit which is a DVD. If it can do 192 yahoo . Even better. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Dane Trethowan >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 7:02 PM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>> Studio Daily >>>> >>>> Okay firstly, you can redefine the shortcuts in Total Recorder so they >>>> represent something that you may be used to, I've done this myself. >>>> >>>> Second, Total Recorder's support of bit rates depends on what sort of >>>> Interface you're using, I can record in 24 bit 192K if required - and its >>>> not but its there all the same, you'll find all that stuff in Total >>>> Recorder if you look under Recording Source etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/07/2015 8:52 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>>>> I've tried Total recorder a little strange to work, but kind of got it. >>>>> Also, it doesn't do full blu-ray audio quality. PCM 96 thousand KHZ 24 >>>>> Bit recording. I love me some 96 KHZ 24 bit audio. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> Steve Jacobson >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:15 PM >>>>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >>>>> Subject: RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>>> Studio Daily >>>>> >>>>> Dane and others, >>>>> >>>>> This is a valuable thread and I hope we can continue with some serious >>>>> discussion because it seems to me that a lot gets glossed over. I >>>>> started out with CoolEdit and stuck with it when it became Audition 1.0 >>>>> and also 1.5 from Adobe. It wasn't perfect, but it could do a lot, and >>>>> it was pretty accessible. Then came Audition 2.0 which displayed >>>>> everything differently and it was suddenly not accessible. At that point, >>>>> I switched to Sound Forge. >>>>> >>>>> While I certainly fall into the category of hoping a new version of Sound >>>>> Forge will be more accessible, I am also relieved when a new version >>>>> doesn't make inaccessible that which I already know as Audition did. >>>>> There is also a tendency on my part to feel that since I've already made >>>>> an investment in money and also in time to learn the software, that I >>>>> tend to stick with new versions. Still, I would never say that Sound >>>>> Forge is the best audio editor for us. If someone gets what they want >>>>> from another editor that is more accessible, they are going to experience >>>>> a good deal less frustration. >>>>> >>>>> Even so, it does seem to me that there is a lot being said without >>>>> looking at details. More than once, in my frustration with Sound Forge, >>>>> I've tried something else and found it did a specific thing I was looking >>>>> for but didn't do something else I needed. I've also seen cases where >>>>> what Sound Forge gives me that is not readily accessible, are sometimes >>>>> things I don't see offered at all in some other programs. I mentioned a >>>>> couple of days back that I was trying to dynamically expand some >>>>> compressed audio and I could find no accessible way to do it with Sound >>>>> forge. I developed an expansion preset using an Optacon, a difficult >>>>> process, but I can now use that preset to accomplish some of what I >>>>> wanted. When I last checked, I didn't find that I could expand data with >>>>> a couple of the popular programs. In one case, the "expansion" I was >>>>> told could be done by another package was for expanding the sound field, >>>>> not the dynamic range. I also found that I got results with the Sound >>>>> Forge Noise Reduction plug-in that to my ear, I could not achieve with a >>>>> couple of other programs. It wasn't that they didn't reduce noise, they >>>>> did that very well. One of the four noise reduction modes that Sound >>>>> Forge had, though, allowed me to get rid of more noise with less side >>>>> effects. I could not find anything that worked as well in that particular >>>>> case. I developed a process in Sound Forge that I use on meetings that >>>>> does a nice job of bringing up the audio gain for questions off mike that >>>>> sounds a lot like someone manually adjusting the gain. It delays >>>>> compression and then after a couple of seconds brings up the gain. Other >>>>> programs had similar effects, but I could just never quite get the same >>>>> results. >>>>> >>>>> So what's my point, I know I'm sounding like I'm saying that Sound Forge >>>>> is the best. That's not what I mean to say. Where my frustration is that >>>>> I keep reading here that program a does something as well as Sound Forge >>>>> does, and program B does something else as good. What I have not felt >>>>> has been said specifically is where there is a program that does >>>>> everything Sound Forge does for me and also does some of what Sound Forge >>>>> does in a more accessible way. So SWave can edit as tightly. That is >>>>> good to know, but what else does it do? Does anybody have experience >>>>> with the latest version of Audition with the latest screen reader support >>>>> for it? Is it worth a look? I tried it a while back and much of what >>>>> was lost is now made accessible using MSAA or UIA, but I still found gaps. >>>>> >>>>> I took a close look at Audacity plug-ins a while back and I found a huge >>>>> number of them. However, it seemed like many were made to deal with very >>>>> specific problems, and in my searching, I didn't find anything that would >>>>> dynamically expand audio, either accessible or not. >>>>> >>>>> It is fine to say there are many other options, and I wouldn't argue with >>>>> that at all. It's just that in my experience, it seems as though I would >>>>> have to use many other options to do what I am managing to do with Sound >>>>> Forge with all of its accessibility issues. I would like to hop onto >>>>> another band wagon, especially if it was better and cheaper, but it would >>>>> be helpful if we didn't each have to try five different programs to find >>>>> out what each will or not do. Has anyone found Audacity plug-ins that >>>>> are particularly useful? What else does SWave do? I know that Total >>>>> Recorder can record pretty much any audio that comes into a computer, can >>>>> be set up for timed recording, and can be used to edit, but does it have >>>>> other audio functions? Gold wave does a lot of things well. Can anyone >>>>> who used Sound Forge and moved to Gold Wave talk about what is better and >>>>> what isn't? It would be helpful to get some specifics from people who >>>>> use various tools. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve Jacobson >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> Dane Trethowan >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 1:08 PM >>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>>> Studio Daily >>>>> >>>>> You're right about what people are used to yes but tight edits in >>>>> Goldwave? Again, if you know what you're doing then yes, you certainly >>>>> can do some very tight editing in Goldwave, Total Recorder etc, both >>>>> those pieces of software have functions a plenty for tight editing. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/07/2015 10:00 PM, tim cumings wrote: >>>>>> If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good >>>>>> editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can >>>>>> make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I >>>>>> think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an >>>>>> editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent >>>>>> of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses >>>>>> studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio >>>>>> recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge >>>>>> does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just >>>>>> plain editing it apparently works very well. >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>>> I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know >>>>>>> that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to >>>>>>> different files. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>>>>>>> All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you >>>>>>>> break them with it too like with SF? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> Dane Trethowan >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM >>>>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>>>>>> Studio Daily >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the >>>>>>>> pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've >>>>>>>> spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping >>>>>>>> beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 >>>>>>>> and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and >>>>>>>> software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people >>>>>>>> miss out on anything that actually works. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility >>>>>>>> and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come >>>>>>>> along where the developers are interested in accessibility and >>>>>>>> take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent >>>>>>>> literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, >>>>>>>> upgrades and all the rest of it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known >>>>>>>> about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a >>>>>>>> fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him >>>>>>>> credit for having the courage to try another product and just not >>>>>>>> blindly follow on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether >>>>>>>> Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions >>>>>>>> offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: >>>>>>>>> I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it >>>>>>>>> and it works very well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, >>>>>>>>> there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 >>>>>>>>> and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, >>>>>>>>> despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's >>>>>>>>> excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving >>>>>>>>> a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with >>>>>>>>> my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that >>>>>>>>> Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Brian Hartgen >>>>>>>>> Hartgen Consultancy >>>>>>>>> www.hartgen.org >>>>>>>>> Phone UK: 02920-850298. >>>>>>>>> Phone US: 415-871-0626 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2015. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf >>>>>>>>> Of Dane Trethowan >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM >>>>>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>>>>>>> Studio Daily >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple >>>>>>>>> keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted<smile>, >>>>>>>>> Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, >>>>>>>>> just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global >>>>>>>>> hotkey to record from anywhere. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio >>>>>>>>> Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” >>>>>>>>> features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for >>>>>>>>> recording, editing, multi track recording and just about >>>>>>>>> everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke >>>>>>>>>> and you're capturing. >>>>>>>>>> I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf >>>>>>>>>> Of Dane Trethowan >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>>>>>>>> Studio Daily >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ********** >>>>>>>>>> Those who need help are those who are prepared to help >>>>>>>>>> themselves >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ********** >>>>>>>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the >>>>>>>>> rest of the halfwits in this world behind. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> ********** >>>> Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ********** >>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >>> halfwits in this world behind. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > ********** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
