I think one of the greatest advances for connecting AVR equipment to a
computer is probably one of the simplist to understand for the average
user and that's the HDMI connection, say connect your computer to a HDMI
input on your modern-day AVR equipment, choose the HDMI output from your
computer, select the appropriate HDMI input on your AVR system and
that's it! no multiple leads to connect from your computers sound card
or device, no multiple settings to worry about and no accessibility
issues going through a control panel or App of a Sound device.
On 22/08/2016 6:14 AM, Andy wrote:
Hi again John.
God, it's getting even more complicated eh?
I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't
going to happen is it?
Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV
units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and
it's only people like us who may know a little about these things that
gain the benefits.
One day you will with no understanding whatsoever about technology ,
be able to play audio from any device through your home system,
without even thinking about it.
I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all
these threads together and with every year, it's getting even more
complicated.
Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and
you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it
and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever!
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers
Hi Andy,
That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop
speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to
are an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a
possibility.
My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so
instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours
minus the PC.
Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound
cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an
amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to
broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things
went wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've
simplified things since then getting rid of redundant equipment. I now
have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems that can plug into a
sound card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to a little
transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and
portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The
Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and age
but as they're quite elderly I want something better.
I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in
my PC den you are probably right and I would have to think about an
amp or receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my
small collection of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though
although it's nice having the ability of outputting music in a 5.1
virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I used to doing that
and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround sound, so
maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do.
I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always
liked the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an
internal one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave
up the external card was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed
to a lower bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out
this will no longer be an issue for external cards. Optical toslink
connections inherently can't handle 5.1 channels without reducing the
sound quality. They are fine for stereo though.
Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm
even thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the
Livingroom system) as an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has
a line in as well as out and therefore could carry audio from my PC
simultaneously to my room speakers and to the Sonos speakers in my
bedroom. If it was successful I could add Sonos speakers elsewhere in
the house. It has the added bonus of letting me use Apple Music and
Amazon Prime music and controlling it from an iPhone app. I haven't
thought this through properly so I'm going to experiment to see if
there are any snags.
Cheers
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 20 August 2016 13:39
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers
Hi John.
Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I simply must tell you
about my own experiences regarding high quality audio from my
computers, before you spend more money on desk-top speakers for your
computer, that will most probably end up disapointing you.
Firstly, I buy most of my equipment from Richard Sound, in Jamaca
Street, Glasgow.
I've got a very good friend called Rob Horn who used to work for them
but is now self employed and he sets all of this stuff up for me, when
I need him.
In my livingroom I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound
card going into an Oncio AV Unit and there is also a 42 inch Philips
plasma and Pioneer DVD recorder/player. The 5.1 speaker system is
provided by a Quad Light system and although this set up is rather
expensive, it's magnificent, particularly because it's bloody loud and
I have no local neibours to disturb by the noise.
But generally, I don't use this system when on my own with no friends
or house guests at home, so I have a second set-up.
in my little Den, I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound
card, going into another Oncio AV unit, but this time the left and
right channels are going into a splitter and send out 2 channel sterio
to my study and the dining room. I have a spare socket for outdoor
speakers but as it's always raining up here, what is the point, of
outdoor speakers.
I've just purchased an Imac 27 inch and my friend Rob is coming over
by ferry next week to plug that into my Oncio unit also.
What I'm really saying I suppose John is before you buy stand alone
desk-top speakers, consider going down the American way of including
an AV unit and USB Sound Card.
The Yanks have been doing this for years while we continue to spend
good money on rubbish.
Both of my systems John give me much joy and of course I use things
like Goldwave and Tune-in radio so I can record everything going
through the card.
If I wanted to, on my JAWS computers, I could pump all of my audio
music through the AV unit and send JAWS to little shitty speakers,
more or less, such as the ones you are considering.
This means that all of my recordings are free of sounds coming from JAWS.
I do a lot of recording on my computers and listen to 5 Live and 6
Music as well as Radio Scotland and these days John, the Broadcast
quality is very good, so why would I want to listen to all of my hard
work, through stand alone cheep speakers.
Start thinking about an AV unit, an external sound card, nice
speakers, either sterio or 5.1 and a couple of cables.
John, you deserve it, so be nice to yourself and buy some toys.
Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.
From Scotland with love.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 9:38 AM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers
The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never
heard of
the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC
but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some
point
I'll have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is
nothing comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set
may be
the way to go.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Desktop computer speakers
Hi!
It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer
desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given
the
low quality of computer speakers these days.
We've discussed the B&W M1 speakers in the past and now there's another
model from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to
music and good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It
shouldn't
be too difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers <smile>.
Like the B&W M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB
port but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for
other
devices such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you
need one.
I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review
linked
to below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be required in most
situations and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers myself - that's how I
also imagine things http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review