Hi WG, and draft authors,

We still have an urgent interoperability issue to solve with 
draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce. We currently have no clear semantic for the PCE to 
advise the PCC that there is no more path available. This point was already 
raised through the list but as we need an URGENT resolution of this issue 
because of implementation timelines, I would like to reactivate the thread.

The situation of no path at PCE side can happen in many situations, and a 
particular situation will require PCC to tear down an existing path : let's 
think about two strictly SRLG disjoint LSPs with a working path . Now the 
transmission topology is changing (rerouting at WDM layer) leading SRLG 
disjointness not being fitted anymore and PCE cannot find anymore disjoint 
path, it must advise one PCC to tear down the path because it is no more 
disjoint (strict disjointness required).
We do not have any clear semantic today and some implementations are using 
empty ERO for this purpose in PCUpdate but the PCC does not recognize it as a 
valid no path significance.

This subject is critical and I would like that we can achieve a consensus asap 
on the target solution so then vendors can align implementations.
This thread is focusing on the PCE -> PCC way, but having a semantic of 
reporting a no path is also necessary in PCC->PCE way through PCRpt, at least 
to ACK a PCupdate.

One of the previous discussion on the list talked about the possibility to use 
NO-PATH object which already has this semantic for PCReq/PCRep but as already 
mentioned we need to assess impact on existing implementations, so vendor 
feedback (with customer implementations) is highly required. So this is my 
starting proposal to initiate the discussion.


Best Regards,


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