hi jean-louis,

LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN wrote:
Hi Dimitri,

Please see inline


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : [Pce] multiple PCE path computation

all -

during the discussion on "PCECP Specific Requirements for Inter-Area Path Computation" i raised the issue that this document
addresses the case where the path computation is completely
decoupled from its signaling
Yes, that is, the path is entirely computed and then signaled. By the
way, note that this does not necessarily mean that the returned path
is a strict explicit path. This may be a loose path, and ABRs may
still have to perfom ERO expansion (either directly or using the
services of an external PCE), but this may be a useless mode in this
inter-area context, where confidentiality is not a problem...

however, there is a case - also described in Section 5.3 of the PCE
architecture document - where multiple PCE path computations may be
performed along the path during LSP establishment (we could refer
to this case as path coupled computation)

Yes, note that this is also discussed in section 5 of this draft:

"Note that the per-area path computation mode relying on route expansion performed directly by ABRs on the path (which function has composite PCEs) , or on external PCEs contacted by the ABRs on the path, consists in fact of a simple concatenation of intra area paths. It actually only implies intra-area path computations and does not allow computing inter-area optimal paths. Hence this mode is not discussed in this document. "

hence, the questions are

o) do we need to address this case (imho: yes)

Yes this should be address, but, as explained in the draft in this
case PCEs perform intra-area path computation, so this is not
strictly speaking an inter-area path computation application...

o) do we need a separate document to address this case (the question is probably yes concerning the specific RSVP-TE processing
during path establishment but is there a need to describe
corresponding requirements in a dedicated document or could we make
use of the "generic" document suggested by Jean-Louis) ?

To me this is an intra-area path computation issue, and this should
not be covered in this ID.

By the way do you see, with this application, any specific
requirement for the PCECP, not already covered in the generic ID??

the specific requirement in this case would be the PCE selection along the signaled path, by default the PCE is driven by the local policy (that by default may perform selection of the local computation engine) and optionally the ERO may include a subobject indicating which PCE may be contacted for further expanding the path - the reason for this is that the ingress may be in a position to perform such selection from the initial request rather than leaving the intermediate LSR performing this selection

but as i read your e-mail it is "yes, but not in this document" hence the question remains shall we bring this back to CCAMP to complete the RSVP extensions ?

Also note that RSVP-TE procedures for such coupled computation are
described in draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp...

i sent an e-mail to the list concerning this document last october and i would like to see what the revision will look like before further stating this document is the right place for documenting the above

thanks,
- dimitri.

Regards,

JL


opinions appreciated.

thanks, - dimitri.

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