adrian,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 2:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Pce] Acceptance of draft-vasseur-pce-monitoring-03.txt ?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I asked:
> 
> >> ... since we all expressed our opinions on the draft, JP
> >> has drawn our attention to the IPR claim registered at
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/872/. So, before we go ahead
> >> and adopt the work, I just need to check that there is no
> >> new strong opinion against it.
> 
> And no-one has expressed such an opinion, so we can go ahead.
> 
> Authors, please resubmit as draft-ietf-pce-monitoring-00.txt 
> making only the 
> usual minimal changes.
> Please attach a copy of the email supplied here so that the 
> Secretariat 
> accept your submission.
> 
> Dimitri asked:
> 
> > the question is what is the object of the support that
> > we have seen on the list ? the need for monitoring of the
> > performance or the solution ?
> >
> > => both aspects are strongly inter-related.
> 
> I can't really judge that since the question I originally 
> asked was whether 
> there was support for adopting the I-D. It seems to me that 
> the support for 
> the I-D indicates definite support for the need for 
> monitoring. It seems 
> likely that the support for the I-D suggests using this as 
> the basis for the 
> WG solution, but the WG is (of course) free to work on this 
> solution and 
> modify it as driven by consensus.

hence the question should be rephrased as is there any other PCE
monitoring technique going to remove that claim ? it is a known practice
of ietf to look at alternative techniques in case a given claims is
blocking open access to a protocol - and such call should be launched on
the list -

the Cisco claim does not provide any specific information on the
technique(s) part of the claim => imho the initial question should be
asked when more information is made available about the claim itself -
if you look at the details of it is not possible to determine whether
such decision is possible at this point in time -

there is a side issue here - the chair belongs to the same affiliation
than the patent applicant - how comes this came so late in the process ?
the fact the document becomes a working-group i-d or not does not change
the base problem.

-d (let's not transform the IETF as the IVTF - Internet Vendor Task
Force)

> Thanks,
> Adrian 
> 


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