On Apr 16, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Miller Puckette hat gesagt: // Miller Puckette wrote: > >> I think that, since font sizes now differ between platforms, it's >> probably >> OK to introduce a new, uniform font size as long as it doesn't >> exceed that >> of any currently used one by more than about a pixel... and >> indeed, it will >> be a huge benefit to get this straightened out at last! > > Yep, definitely. > > I now had a real look at pd-extended. Some comments: The properties > menu for IEMGUIs still explicitly specify names like "Deja Sans ..." > or "Helvetica". I think, it would be better to use more general names: > "Mono", "Sans Serif" and "Serif". That way it would be easier to map > the names to different font faces eventially or when "-typeface X" is > used.
Sounds like a good idea. It's a separate issue though, so I left that situation as is. One step at a time. You could submit a patch if you feel inspired... > Then very much, even with Deja, I would prefer to have a bold typeface > back. I find the non-bold fonts hard to read and for my tastes they > are too similar in width to the object borders. Bitstream Vera/Deja at 8pt and 10pt is not so good. 11pt is much better, and 12pt is quite nice. Too bad the Lucida fonts aren't free, they look better IMHO. > Btw: the number in > number boxes is positioned a little bit to low, not in the center. Unfortunately, there is only one place to adjust the font placement. This is the best compromise that I could come up with. It would be great if people experimented with the positioning and perhaps other fonts to see if there is a better solution. > _From a quick glance at pd.tk I still don't like, that the font face > is hardcoded in many places. I'm tcl-illiterate, but it would be nice > to have the fonts defined in just one place. One end goal IMO should > be a system similar to the one in Desire Data: Here you can totally > change the graphical appearance, from colors to fonts and beyond, by > editing a GUI config file. With hardcoded font names everywhere this > is porbably harder to realize. Indeed. I did some work towards that end, but there is much left to do. AFAIK, in order to do have all of the graphical stuff customizable and still have working cross-platform patch layout, the graphical information would have to be stored in the .pd file. It's currently not. > Also after seeing Chun's DD presentation at "make art" last week I > fell in love with the Zoom feature of Desire Data: If like me one is > sight impaired when in front of a screen (yep, I'm aproaching 40), > with current Pd it is necessary to change the font size, which, even > with the Deja-font and pd-extended, will still break the layout of a > patch. Instead of that, zooming into a patch would be a much better > solution for handicapped users. Yes, it would be very nice to tk scaling support. .hc > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! _______________________________________________ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list