On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Derek Holzer wrote:

Actually, the fact that on-screen position affects order of operations
at all is very illogical if you ask me.

If it is so, then please figure out what to do with [inlet]s and [outlet]s because those objects change behaviour according to position in the patch!

Getting used to [trigger] is fundamental to using PD. It confuses the
hell out of workshop participants the first time you explain it,

Is it that it confuses them, or they were already confused by looking at pd and then you see them in the process of getting deconfused? I think that any significant concept will "confuse" users like that, especially if so far they had to make guesses and assumptions that are potentially and probably wrong, because they had to use a feature before understanding the feature.

This can be especially unavoidable near the beginning, because there is that big knot of concepts that would ideally need to be digested all at once but the conceptual stomach is not big enough to hold all those new concepts together. One has to start *somewhere*...

IMHO the more you delay explanations about fundamental stuff like that, the more you have to make students unlearn preconceptions that they built by practising pd without the explanations that they needed.

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