Ico Doornekamp wrote: > > * On 2008-07-22 marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > >> Frank Barknecht wrote: >>> Hallo, >>> Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >>> >>>> The grand plan is to have no libraries loaded by default. Then the >>>> library configuration would be completely embedded in the patch, like >>>> python does with import. >>> >>> $ python >>> Python 2.4.4c0 (#2, Jul 30 2006, 15:43:58) >>> [GCC 4.1.2 20060715 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-9)] on linux2 >>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>>>>> sin(0.5) >>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>> File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? >>> NameError: name 'sin' is not defined >>>>>> math.sin(0.5) >>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>> File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? >>> NameError: name 'math' is not defined >>>>>> import math >>>>>> math.sin(0.5) >>> 0.47942553860420301 >>> >>> Ciao >> is this a good idea? pd comes with a set of tools, I don't see a reason >> why I should import [bang] before I can use it. I (don't) want to be >> treated like a child in a sandpit here: >> "mummy, can I have the shovel?" >> "say please" >> "please can I have the shovel?" >> "you know, my darling, this shovel is from toys "r" us... can you say, >> mummy please can I have the shovel from toys "r" us?" >> "please can I have the shovel from toys "r" us?" >> "cutie! say thank you" >> "thank you" >> "kiss mummy!" >> kiss... >> marius. > > Or the other version: > > "mummy, can I have the shovel" > "which shovel, dear, the red one or the blue one" > "the blue one" > "here you are dear" > > Next time, you'll learn to ask for one of the specific shovels right > away: red/shovel or blue/shovel.
no, there is only one shovel, if I want to change the color, I send it a message [color 13(. The above examples are bad schoolmasterly ways of doing it. to me these conceptual and programming decisions are backround informations that I don't want to hassle with as a user. pushing the decision blue.shovel vs. red.shovel to the user is imho conservative and uncreative. and btw any categorisation system is outdated/wrong in so many cases. I want to see pd more as a colloquial language that I can actually use, as opposed to a philosophical one, where I have to explain every word. communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.I communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.will communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.pack communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.my communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.us-corporate.apple.macbookpro.laptop communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.and communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.leave communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word.time.now. marius. _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list