Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Andy Farnell wrote:I remember you explaining this before Mathieu, and it was with great dismay that I realised DesireData was not to be an alternative to pd-gui, but a complete rewrite of the whole show.Well it was way too late to realise that, I rewrote much of the C code of IEMGUI back in the spring of 2004. DesireData didn't really start in mid-2005, it was a revival of an older project.It seems there is a necessary intermediate step by which Pd is properly separated into two truly independent GUI client and sound server code sets. From this position, it opens the door to all kinds of alternative GUIs, so long as clear protocols are established for exchange between pd and pd-gui.Well, it may look like that when you don't mess with the code, but I ask you to ask yourself: what kind of protocol will that be between the client and the server? If you don't touch the server at all, you will have to have clients that accept to be told things in the words that the server is willing to feed them. Would all the clients have to accept Tcl commands from the server, and furthermore, would they all have to accept the same details that the server usually feeds to the client, such as how to draw each piece of each gui object on the canvas?... and that's just the display; the keyboard/mouse is similarly handled much more by the server than by the client.
well i guess this is the main problem with how Pd does it right now.i am all in favour of using tcl/tk for drawing the GUI, but not using tcl/tk commands over the wire. i would rather have "Pd-ish" commands.
it's gonna be a long road till miller might accept something like this.that's the reason why i personally am not such a big fan of how the new pd-devel goes: i think it eventually progresses to fast and might end up very similar to desire-data. (being a cool project where people have invested tons of time, but which unfortunately never made it)
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