Phil Stone wrote: > > I think the fact that this is an eternally-recurring topic points to > just how irritating this one little foible of Pd is -- it's confusing to > newbies,
i agree > and it's annoying to more experienced programmers. but i can't follow here .-) > But $0 is exceptional in *all* cases! Its use in objects has a very > different meaning than the use of $1, $2.... in objects. Yet no one > calls for eliminating $0 from object boxes -- why is the same argument actually i do. obviously it would break everything, so i won't say that loud. > repeated over and over as justification for its prohibition in message > boxes? I just don't understand this. > > > If only (as many have said) "$0" had been written as "#0" or something > else completely un-encumbered with ideas about what "$" must mean in Pd. but why "0"? what is #1 to mean then? i always favoured a more bash-like syntax, e.g. "$$" (which is the PID of a process; i think this maps nicely to what $0 currently is) >> The only thing i don't really get: Why seems there some agreement, that >> using $0 to get the selector could be confusing? because i want to get the selector of an object-box as well (it's name). > Well, I think that would make things even worse - further muddying the > waters, as it were, by adding yet another meaning to the dollar-sign. I > don't see it as any more consistent or "pure", given the unique role > that $0 has in *all* cases. as explained lengthily months ago, i still don't think that messages should have any notion of the surrounding patch. > When all is said and done, things in the Pd world will go on as they > have, and we won't really suffer because of this one little grain of > sand in our shell. But we probably will continue to discuss it every > few months! don't know whether we should. most likely, we will. fgmasdr IOhannes
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