On Jul 10, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Sun, 7/10/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at> wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 updates: lots of new editing
features
To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancs...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Ivica Ico Bukvic" <i...@vt.edu>, pd-list@iem.at
Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 7:25 PM
On Jul 9, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Sat, 7/9/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>
wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 updates: lots
of new editing
features
To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancs...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Ivica Ico Bukvic" <i...@vt.edu>, pd-list@iem.at
Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 10:38 PM
On Jul 9, 2011, at 1:48 AM, Jonathan Wilkes
wrote:
--- On Sat, 7/9/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner
<h...@at.or.at>
wrote:
[...]
The problem with forks is if improvements
don't
migrate
upstream.
I think it's both a problem-with and a
cause-of.
Yup, that makes sense.
Then we don't benefit from sharing the
fixes. Making things migrate
upstream takes
time in
itself.
How does one figure out who has the
responsibility to
make sure
things migrate upstream (for example:
[initbang] and
[closebang])?
Mostly by someone deciding its important enough
that they
want to work
on it themself, and then lots of testing and
communication.
Ok. So in patch id#2838176, what is Guenter's
idea for a clean
implementation of tooltips that you were referring
to? I didn't
find anything on the user or dev list.
Hmm, I can't remember what Günter's proposal was, but I do
have a
vague idea of how to do it cleanly. I think it should
be similar to
the way its done in Max/MSP. Basically there is a
standard function,
something like nlet_info(), which returns the tooltip
info.
Where would one define the standard function?
On page 32 of this document:
http://peabody.sapp.org/class/dmp2/read/WritingMax_MSPExternals.pdf
You can see the 'assist' message. The Max GUI sends the 'assist'
message to an objectclass when you hover above an inlet or outlet,
then its up to the objectclass to implement a function which copies
the text into a provider buffer. Then the Max GUI displays that text.
I guess we might as well just copy the interface of Max/MSP. It seems
very Max/Pd-ish, and straightforward.
Pd would
then check whether an object had that function when it
loaded the
binary, and if so register it in the tooltips.
This brings up an issue I've been wondering about since learning a
little more about the canvas editor: why does the pd gui send
'motion' messages to pd? Why not, for example, just have a tag for
an inlet rectangle and bind <Enter> and <Leave> to it? Then you'd
only be sending messages from the gui for the events you care about,
instead of tons of "motion" messages that don't trigger anything.
I agree that the GUI should really handle the motion and guts of the
interaction, and 'pd' should just handle the logical messages like
"object selected".
The original design of Pd was to have as much of the logic in 'pd'
itself, for better or worse.
.hc
-Jonathan
.hc
Try getting a patch into the Linux
kernel,
that'll make Pd seem like cake ;-)
Yes, I would hope that making changes to the
core of
the largest
free software project in the history of
computing is a
wee bit more
difficult than making changes to Pd.
Actually, there are much bigger projects than
Linux, things
like
Debian are quite a bit larger in scale.
I read a white paper on total development cost of a
linux distro and
just remembered "linux". I think the distro in
the paper was Fedora
9, which was estimated to be almost an order of
magnitude more
expensive than the Linux kernel.
-Jonathan
.hc
-Jonathan
.hc
-Jonathan
And
anything assigned to Miller and
reviewed
positively by
IOhannes I'm
going to defer any action on until
Miller
responds.
.hc
-Jonathan
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