Hi Hans, > Based on that guess, then the idea would be to make it use the translations > by default, then provide instructions for the more technical people to switch > to English. >
I see. That suggestion the other way round is reasonable. > You just demonstrated a simple yet effective way to force Pd in English on > any system: remove the translation files in the po/ folder, i.e. ja.msg, etc. It sounds a very nice solution, simple and easy. I tested it on OSX and it works quite fine, now. Thank you. Is this way also working on Windows? Unfortunately I can't test this on Windows and Linux at here. I hope they would work fine too eventually. In addition, I finished checking all parts of Japanese UI on OSX and I think no problems happening. Best wishes, Sei Matsumura ---- s...@low-tech-ism.com ---- 2012年3月4日14:55 Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>: > > Glad it worked out. About handling the translations, I don't really have a > good sense of who will want to use it in their native language and who in > English. My guess is that the more technical people will be using Pd in > English, and the less technical would use Pd in their native language. > > Based on that guess, then the idea would be to make it use the translations > by default, then provide instructions for the more technical people to switch > to English. > > You just demonstrated a simple yet effective way to force Pd in English on > any system: remove the translation files in the po/ folder, i.e. ja.msg, etc. > > .hc > > On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: > >> Hi Hans, >> >> Sorry, I misread your instruction. It was for how to make ja.msg file >> from ja.po file then to import it to Pd-extended0.43.app downloaded >> from nightly build. (I thought I needed to build app by myself.) >> Now, I can run Pd-extended0.43.1.app with Japanese UI. (see attached pic.) >> This is amazing! >> I can do fully checking. >> >> BTW, this is just a suggestion about language mode. >> If it is difficult to put language select pull-down menu in >> preferences, how is about not including all the language files in po >> folder of Pd-extended.app as default? >> It means the default language is English and installing the other >> language ~.msg files are optional. Users can download the language >> ~.msg file and put it in Pd-extended.app/Contents/resources/po folder >> under the instruction as they want it. It is not difficult even for >> non-geek people. >> This is like OpenOffice language plug-in files style. >> How do you think? >> >> Best, >> >> Sei Matsumura >> --- >> s...@low-tech-ism.com >> --- >> >> >> 2012年3月2日9:48 Seiichiro MATSUMURA <s...@low-tech-ism.com>: >>> Thank you for the precise instruction. I could trace this but could not make >>> Pd-extended0.43.app in the end. >>> I can run "pd" unix file in "pd-extended/src" folder and see ja.msg is >>> working partly, not all functions are working correctly like Bang >>> button object is missing, Vslider is missing, etc. >>> I need to check all the Japanese translated menu and indication in all >>> the properties windows. >>> Do I have to do any other steps for building Pd-extended0.43.app? >>> >>> I already check "INSTALL.txt" in pd-extended folder and this article >>> but could not accomplish it. >>> http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdExtended >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Sei Matsumura >>> >>> --- >>> s...@low-tech-ism.com >>> --- >>> >>> 2012年2月25日6:56 Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>: >>>> >>>> I was updating pd-extended.git, so I threw in the new Japanese >>>> translation :-). I'll be sure to update it one last time before the >>>> final release, so you can test it in a real build. >>>> >>>> I'm all for choice with the language of the app, but it seems to me that >>>> is something that the OS should handle. So anyone who set their system >>>> language to English will get Pd-extended in English. For those who want >>>> some mix of languages, then there is no standard technique that I know >>>> of, and how you do it varies on each OS. If someone wants to code this >>>> for Pd-extended, patches are welcome. >>>> >>>> For the geeks, you can select the language easily when launching Pd from >>>> the terminal. This is what I do for testing the language support: >>>> >>>> $ export LANG=en >>>> $ /usr/bin/pd-extended >>>> >>>> or on Mac OS X: >>>> >>>> $ /Applications/Pd-extended/Contents/Resources/bin/pd >>>> >>>> You can see the supported languages in the po/ folder inside Pd. >>>> >>>> .hc >>>> >>>> On 02/23/2012 11:54 PM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> I finished Transifex work in Japanese 100%. Then I was surprised my >>>>> partly inputs of Transifex in middle of Feb. is already reflected in >>>>> 0.43.1-beta 20120223. >>>>> >>>>> However, it seems working automatic depends on system language of OSX, >>>>> now. >>>>> I think it would be nice if users can select language mode in >>>>> Preferences, for example like Audacity's language setting. Because >>>>> many Japanese users (especially geeks) already get used to the general >>>>> English menu and interfaces. >>>>> Of course, Japanese interfaces is truly helpful for Japanese Pd newbies. >>>>> So languages selectable is the ideal. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Sei Matsumura >>>>> -- >>>>> __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ >>>>> Seiichiro Matsumura >>>>> >>>>> s...@low-tech-ism.com >>>>> http://low-tech-ism.com/ >>>>> __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ >>>>> >>>>> 2012/2/22 Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>: >>>>>> That's great! I wish I could read it. I love the idea of including the >>>>>> interviews and the PdCon report, it shows the multidimensionality of Pd. >>>>>> Its not just software, but the community behind it as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> To match this release, I think it would be nice to also have a complete >>>>>> Japanese translation of the Pd interface. To contribute, create an >>>>>> account on transifex and edit the Japanese translation in this webform: >>>>>> https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/puredata/resource/templatepot/ >>>>>> >>>>>> .hc >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 20, 2012, at 3:38 AM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear list, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The world first Japanese Pure Data book for sound programming will be >>>>>>> published from BNN(Bug News Network) Inc. on 23rd Feb. 2012 in Japan. >>>>>>> The title is "Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data". This >>>>>>> book is written for the programming newbies with the step by step type >>>>>>> tutorials. >>>>>>> If you know anybody who can read Japanese and hope to jump into the Pd >>>>>>> world, please recommend this book. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Web site (Japanese) >>>>>>> "Pd Recipe Book -Sound Programming with Pure Data" >>>>>>> http://www.bnn.co.jp/books/title_index/web/pd_recipe_book_pure_data.html#more >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope this become the starting point to spread Pd in Japan. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> best wishes, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sei Matsumura >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ >>>>>>> Seiichiro Matsumura, Ph.D. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tokyo University of Technology >>>>>>> School of Design >>>>>>> Associate Professor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://low-tech-ism.com/ >>>>>>> __/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/__/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pd-announce mailing list >>>>>>> pd-annou...@iem.at >>>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >>>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> "Free software means you control what your computer does. 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