One other occasion where I used to have the same thing happen to me which might shed some light on the situation.
Remember Brazil? I tried all evening to get my GUI-intensive patches working. Fortunately we did, in the end, get some music. It was all down to that pesky firewire interface, using Jack. I had to run Pd in -rt mode, and I have found that running Pd in -rt often causes the GUI to seize up completely in my patches, in exactly the same way as it did for the latest one. I don't use Jack any more, nor do I ever run Pd in -rt mode. Without -rt I find I can do things like create a new [table] object and copy audio data from a recording of the [adc~] into the table, without any audio dropouts. Ed; Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- > From: Miller Puckette <m...@ucsd.edu> > To: Ed Kelly <morph_2...@yahoo.co.uk> > Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>; "pd-list@iem.at" <pd-list@iem.at> > Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013, 4:18 > Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload > > So now a question for me is - should I change || to + in the 0.44 > release? My first impulse is to hold off since I can't be sure it > won't affect scheduling in some other unknown way - after al if it makes > one thing happen faster it presumably makes something else happen > slower. > > I'm hoping to make 0.44 official this weekend :) > > M > > On Sat, Jan 05, 2013 at 01:07:44AM +0000, Ed Kelly wrote: >> Oooh, aargh, exactly the same! >> >> San Diego (Houston) we have a problem...Miller's sys_pollgui() fix is > the only one I found that works, and perhaps we don't know why it works, but > it works for me. Bear in mind I have 32x64+256=2304 GUI objects to update > when > the pattern changes on my sequencer, but I'm not entirely convinced that is > the whole problem. The version I sent you (with all those GUI updates) worked > fine it turned out, but the version I made of the sequencer to try to > counteract > this (with no GUI updates) - the performance patch with that still had the > problem. >> >> Since I now have both Pd versions - hacked vanilla and extended - is there > any test I can carry out to determine what the issue might be? >> >> Ed >> >> Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! >> http://sharktracks.co.uk/ >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at> >> > To: Ed Kelly <morph_2...@yahoo.co.uk> >> > Cc: "pd-list@iem.at" <pd-list@iem.at> >> > Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013, 0:08 >> > Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload >> > >> > >> > Have you tried using the Pd-extended PPA, there is a Lucid package > there: >> > >> > https://launchpad.net/~eighthave/+archive/pd-extended >> > >> > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:eighthave/pd-extended >> > >> > .hc >> > >> > On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Ed Kelly wrote: >> > >> >> Hey Hans... >> >> >> >> I'm on Lucid (10.04LTS Ubuntu). I've tried to get later > Ubuntu >> > versions to run on my new and old machines with no success, so I > compiled the >> > source code of Pd-extended 0.43 (2012-12-28 build). All was fine in > linux_make/, >> > then I tried "sudo make install" from packages directory. >> >> >> >> install -p -m 644 jmmmp-meta.pd \ >> >> >> > > /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd-extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp >> >> test -z "" || (\ >> >> install -p -m 644 >> > > /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd-extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp > > >> > && \ >> >> ) >> >> /bin/sh: Syntax error: ")" unexpected >> >> make[2]: *** [libdir_install] Error 2 >> >> >> >> ? >> >> Ed >> >> >> >> >> >> Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with > dynamics! >> >> http://sharktracks.co.uk/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at> >> >>> To: pd-list@iem.at >> >>> Cc: >> >>> Sent: Friday, 28 December 2012, 5:22 >> >>> Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Hey Ed, >> >>> >> >>> I just committed a couple more fixes for [tgl] and [mknob] > that make >> > them only >> >>> send the GUI updates when something actually has changed. > This can >> > greatly >> >>> reduce the amount of traffic to the GUI. >> >>> >> >>> Can you try your patch with the 2012-12-28 build of > Pd-extended and see >> > if you >> >>> still get freezes? >> >>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2012-12-28/ >> >>> >> >>> .hc >> >>> >> >>> On 12/16/2012 08:47 AM, Ed Kelly wrote: >> >>>> Hi List, >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm not going to say whether this is a > "recurrent" >> > problem as >> >>> it's hard to say whether the rewrite of the GUI has > affected it... >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm using a lot of abstractions with larger GOP or > non-GOP >> > GUIs, and I >> >>> find the following problem occurs. There comes a point where > the GUI >> > objects >> >>> stop responding in a patch when it is reloaded. I am > wondering if there >> > is a >> >>> specific limit to GUI objects that could be changed. I think > Pd is >> > making some >> >>> kind of decision that "there's too much of this > stuff - >> > I'm gonna >> >>> prioritize the audio and not worry about it" and I'd > like to >> > know how >> >>> or if it is possible to control this process from within Pd, > or by >> > setting flags >> >>> on the command line. >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm also making less GUI intensive versions for > performance >> > time, since >> >>> the really big GUI patches are often pattern-sequencers which > I will >> > not want to >> >>> program when I am performing. Example patch enclosed to give > you an >> > idea. The >> >>> really GUI-intensive objects are the trackers, especially > quadtracker >> > (which I >> >>> think has pushed the GUI of Pd patches about as far as I can > go now). >> >>>> >> >>>> System: quad core i5 PC running Ubuntu (10.04 Lucid), > Pd-0.43-4, >> > lots of >> >>> externals compiled and loaded. >> >>>> >> >>>> Warm wishes, >> >>>> Ed >> >>>> >> >>>> Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with > dynamics! >> >>>> http://sharktracks.co.uk/ >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >>> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list