On Sat, 2016-04-30 at 12:08 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote:
> OK.. I added a 0.46 compatibility mode to get the old, strange behavior :)

I don't see anything regarding this in the logs. Did you push? The most
recent commit I see is adcdcede.

Now I feel somewhat guilty for another compatibility mode ;-) 
Probably more important than supporting the 'strange' behavior would be
to reflect the current behavior in the documentation. See attached
my_canvas-help.pd

Roman


> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 05:42:55PM +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote:
> > On Fri, 2016-04-29 at 15:49 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote:
> > > It looks like the new color handling has made teh "color" message work
> > > more coherently.  In the past, if "color" had two arguments they were
> > > interpreted as background, foreground, and label color, but if only
> > > two were supplied theyt were the foreground and label colors (without
> > > setting background color). 
> > 
> > Actually, a color message with two arguments sets background and label,
> > leaving foreground color unchanged (in Pd <= 0.46).
> > 
> > >  I think the old behavior is horribly confusing.
> > 
> > Until now, I wasn't aware that all iemguis behave the same regarding
> > colors. The new behavior would have worked for old versions of Pd, but
> > it never occurred to me, since the documentation for  [cnv] clearly
> > suggests using only two arguments (background, label), while all other
> > iemguis require three arguments. Thus, I used only two arguments
> > whenever setting the label color for [cnv]s dynamically. The change of
> > behavior breaks quite a few patches of mine. This doesn't mean I'm
> > opposed to introducing sanity in that matter (it's quite easy to fix),
> > but I'm wondering how many other patches with non-trivial GUI designs
> > would be affected.
> > 
> > > I'm not sure whether to consider it a bug or a 'feature' - and whether
> > > back compatibility is more important than making the color-settings sane.
> > 
> > I'm not even sure what is more sane. The new behavior forces the use of
> > a redundant middle argument when setting the label of a [cnv].
> > 
> > Roman
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:47:38PM +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote:
> > > > I'm glad to see the release that includes deken is out now.
> > > > 
> > > > One minor thing still apparent in the test2 release: The second argument
> > > > of the 'color' message to a [cnv] object does not change the text color
> > > > anymore in Pd 0.47. Text color can be changed by providing a _third_
> > > > argument, though. 
> > > > 
> > > > See attached patch.
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers and thanks for all the work gone into that release,
> > > > Roman
> > > > 
> > 
> 
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