This has been around for some time in pd-l2ork and by extension in
Purr-Data, but as Liam recently pointed out on the l2ork-dev list, it
can also break patches on vanilla where spaces (including escaped ones)
in the .pd file get misinterpreted by the vanilla parser. Liam suggested
changing those to ASCII 255 which is some other sort of a space...
Something to be investigated further down the road. Of course, an
alternative would be that vanilla ports the same space parsing method
from pd-l2ork/purr-data.
Best,
Ico
On 12/2/2016 1:10 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi, I see Purr Data has this feature where it accepts spaces in lables
such as in canvases... this is awesome, and mostly why I use
cyclone/comment
I can see we could depart from how you can lable stuff in Purr Data to
make a new working cross platform version of cyclone/comment that is
still backwards compatible.
cheers
2016-11-29 2:28 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <por...@gmail.com
<mailto:por...@gmail.com>>:
one question, how does canvas and other fonts for labels work in
cross platforms?
why not use that for comment... for now, all cyclone/comment is
can be thought of just being a fancy label perhaps...
I did use it a lot in my new help files that I'm working on, but
only cause it'd be too much work to use canvas and labels, as it'd
imply a canvas for each word as it doesn't take spaces (is only a
symbol)
I was even thinking of ditching it when, it stopped working on
vanilla 0.47 - yeah, that's another thing, a fix needs to be made
to vanilla for old versions of comment (0.2 and below to work) -
but then I realized it could be really useful. I was also hoping
to add properties windows to make it more convenient.
anyway, the question is, why labels and stuff simply work?
cheers
2016-11-28 21:45 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes <jancs...@yahoo.com
<mailto:jancs...@yahoo.com>>:
Another reason for putting it off is that I still haven't
figured out a sane approach
to handling arbitrary fonts in a diagram where everything
is absolutely positioned.
In fact I only have a minimally-workable approach to
handling a single, mono-
spaced font across platforms. For example, there was a
change somewhere in
the Gnu/Linux font-stack (relatively) recently that
renders fonts (or at least
DejaVu Sans Mono) noticeably wider than before. So
Windows, OSX, and
old Gnu/Linux would render a particular line of text sized
at "12px" within less
than a single pixel of each other. The new Gnu/Linux font
stack (seen in Ubuntu
16.04 and some recent Arch) rendered the same text about 7
pixels wider.
Worse, the newer Gnu/Linux font stack quantizes the "px"
sizes such that the
next smallest size is noticeably smaller. So in Ubuntu
16.04 I have to compromise
by keeping the object box the same size and having some
extra padding at the
end-- otherwise users of that OS could end up tightly
spacing their object chains
in ways that cause overlaps on the other platforms.
So... I'd like to get a handle on that mess first, then
handling arbitrary font
families-- as in cyclone/comment-- will hopefully be
easier and less prone
to bugs.
> well, it seems some of the issues are exactly what we're
facing now...
I think those issues are impossible to solve for displaying
arbitrary fonts in
a diagram like a Pd patch, and especially for arbitrary fonts
in multi-line text.
The user simply won't be able to predict whether or not there
will be collisions
on someone else's platform (or even if those fonts aren't
available, which fonts
will get chosen).
I'm all for porting cyclone/comment for the sake of Max
compatibility. But I'd
strongly advise against using cyclone/comment in any patch
that's supposed to
be used cross-platform (aside from its own help patch, of course).
-Jonathan
> cheers
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