> On Sunday, June 28, 2020, 11:13:31 AM EDT, hans w. koch 
> <hansw.k...@gmail.com> wrote: 
 
 > well, as a relative oldie, let me tell you this is wrong :-)
> last commit to github 5 days ago: https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data
> last relase: 26 days ago (14 committs since): 
> https://github.com/agraef/purr-data/releases

> or your world is aging fatser than mine…

Also notice Ico has a huge number of merge requests from the past few weeks. 
That-- along withthe GSoC project merges to run Purr Data fully in a browser 
and the features to automatically 
"subpatchify" a selection-- has made the CI a real choke point.
If anyone has experience with making a monstrously complex recursive makefile 
system work 
with the -j flag, please shoot me an email.
Best,Jonathan

> hth
> hans

> Am 28.06.2020 um 16:28 schrieb henry birdseye <henry.birds...@gmail.com>:
> 
> As a relative newbie to PD, let me suggest that PurrData is old, and 
> incomplete. Unless you have a very specific reason for using it, PD Vanilla 
> is the one to use. 
> 
> On 6/28/2020 9:42 AM, Jakob Laue wrote:
>> Hi!
>> Alright, so I have looked a little bit into pdparty and mobmuplat. Seriously 
>> these are cool projects!
>> But I would like to have standalone apps, so it seems that I cannot use both 
>> of them..
>> Maybe I need to go for ofelia then or try native coding.
>>  
>> But it is also interesting what you mentioned about purr-data. I have heard 
>> of it a lot, but i dont know what it is. You mentioned that purr-data is 
>> able to port the native guis to non-tk-frameworks. Does this mean e.g. 
>> porting to iOS? I guess I need to take a look into purr-data as well:)
>>  
>> All the best, jakob
>>  
>>  
>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Juni 2020 um 20:15 Uhr
>> Von: "Dan Wilcox" <danomat...@gmail.com>
>> An: "Jakob Laue" <jakkesprin...@web.de>
>> Cc: "Pd-List" <pd-list@lists.iem.at>, "Christof Ressi" 
>> <i...@christofressi.com>, "enrike" <alte...@gmail.com>
>> Betreff: Re: [PD] getting vanilla gui objects into standalone builds
>> Howdy Jakob,
>>  
>> There is no "standalone GUI" for mobile. The UI widgets for PdDroidParty and 
>> my own PdParty are custom re-implementations which intercept messages using 
>> sends/receives. Both apps are open source, so you can reuse the widgets but 
>> PdDroidParty's implementation is not feature complete, ie. no radio buttons, 
>> etc. MobMuPlat, for instance, uses the Pd UI implementation form PdParty.
>>  
>> For mobile, it's often better to use the native sliders and buttons and send 
>> the state changes to/from libpd. Either way, you will have to do native 
>> platform coding & integration, unless you simply want to run patches, in 
>> which case try using PdParty and/or PdDroidParty.
>>  
>> My long-term plan is to bring changes into libpd & the pd core so GUI 
>> messaging could be abstracted to make porting the native UIs to non-Tk 
>> frameworks easier. Purr-data has achieved this, for instance, so we know 
>> it's possible.
>>  
>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Christof Ressi <i...@christofressi.com> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi,
>> 
>> on desktop it's easy: just bundle Pd with your patch, add a simple starter 
>> script and maybe use the KIOSK plugin to hide the console.
>> 
>> Mobile is tricky, because of the locked down nature of the platforms 
>> (especially iOS). There are projects to run Pd patches on Android 
>> (http://droidparty.net/) and iOS (http://danomatika.com/code/pdparty) with 
>> some compatibility between the two 
>> (http://danomatika.com/code/pdparty/guide#pddroid-party-compatibility). You 
>> have to follow some conventions, though.
>> 
>> If you design your patch for PdParty and/or PdDroidParty and don't use 
>> mobile specific features, it should automatically work in desktop Pd 
>> vanilla. I think @Dan can tell you more about it.
>> 
>> Christof
>> 
>> On 21.06.2020 12:16, Jakob Laue wrote:
>> Hey dear friends,
>> i am currently building an instrument with many vanilla-native gui objects 
>> (mainly buttons).
>> I would like to build standalone versions of that patch, preferably for 
>> linux, osx, ios and android.
>> I know that building standalones is possible eg with ofxPof or ofelia. But 
>> as far as i know, if i use ofxPof or ofelia, I will need to use "their" gui 
>> objects, which means re-working my patch.
>>  
>> Do you know of a tool that allows building standalone versions from a pd 
>> patch that will keep the original pd-vanilla-gui objects - or even better - 
>> a tool that is able to "convert" pd-vanilla-gui objects into its own types 
>> of gui objects, which look maybe a bit different from the pd-object, but 
>> fulfill the same purpose?
>>  
>> :-)))
>>  
>> Best, jakob
>>    
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