there are “plenty” of polyphonic aftertouch controllers on the market, some of the newer MPE hardware controllers use CC messages for this though. (https://www.midi.org/midi-articles/midi-polyphonic-expression-mpe <https://www.midi.org/midi-articles/midi-polyphonic-expression-mpe>). some of them also have release velocity. there are also quite some softsynths that handle release velocity (https://vital.audio <https://vital.audio/> for a free example), so i would not exactly say this is that rare. and also it will get more common again i guess.
> On 1 Oct 2022, at 15:36, Alexandre Torres Porres <por...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Cool, but not a 'classic keyboard' controller. I don't know any modern one > with release velocity, and also with polyphonic aftertouch (at least a > decent/proper one that is not a pad and actually uses pressure after you > press the note). > cheers > > Em sex., 30 de set. de 2022 às 17:09, Peter Brinkmann > <peter.brinkm...@googlemail.com <mailto:peter.brinkm...@googlemail.com>> > escreveu: > There's a new controller that uses Note Off velocity in an interesting way > --- the Artinoise re.corder <https://www.recorderinstruments.com/en/> sends > Note Off with nonzero velocity between slurred notes. > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 9:30 AM Alexandre Torres Porres <por...@gmail.com > <mailto:por...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Hi, the ELSE library has [else/note.in <http://note.in/>] and [else/note.out] > which can handle proper note off messages. There's an object in cyclone (and > also in MAX, of course) that can do that too, called [cyclone/xnotein] and > [cyclone/xnoteout]. > > The use case of this is very rare as modern controllers don't really send > note off messages anymore. I bought an old controller from the 80s that can > do this, cause I'm a nerd and gear slut. > > Note Off messages start with channel messages from 128 to 143 (128 being > channel 1 up to 143 being channel 16) as Dan's test patch points out. You can > use raw midi input from vanilla to listen to this and get the next two values > which are MIDI note and release velocity. > > I would also like this to be available in vanilla, but, hey, well, there are > the mentioned externals already and this is quite rare as I pointed out. If > you need to do it as a pure vanilla application for whatever reason, you can > create such abstraction with [midiin]. > > cheers > > Em qui., 29 de set. de 2022 às 19:19, Dan Wilcox <danomat...@gmail.com > <mailto:danomat...@gmail.com>> escreveu: > Pd treats noteoff as a noteon with 0 velocity, hence the [stripnote] object, > etc. > > If you want to explicitly handle noteoff, you can look at the midi tester > patch for working with raw bytes... > > 1. Help -> Browser... > 2. Pure Data / 7.stuff / tools / miditester.pd > 3. receive [pd channel messages] > >> On Sep 27, 2022, at 9:56 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at >> <mailto:pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at> wrote: >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 17:42:15 +0200 >> From: Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsut...@gmail.com >> <mailto:lorenzofsut...@gmail.com>> >> To: pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> >> Subject: Re: [PD] MIDI / STATUS_BYTE / noteOn - noteOff mesage >> Message-ID: <b3832427-9b6d-ea0e-3d34-82245176e...@gmail.com >> <mailto:b3832427-9b6d-ea0e-3d34-82245176e...@gmail.com>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> Hi, >> >> On 26/09/2022 20:43, Maurin Donneaud wrote: >>> Dear List >>> >>> Looking at the MIDI 1.0 documentation : >>> https://www.midi.org/specifications-old/item/table-2-expanded-messages-list-status-bytes >>> >>> <https://www.midi.org/specifications-old/item/table-2-expanded-messages-list-status-bytes> >>> >>> I notice that the MIDI NOTES are transmitted over three bytes >>> ??? byte 1 -> STATUS_BYTE [chan & function] >>> ??? byte 2 -> DATA_BYTE [note] (0-127) >>> ??? byte 3 -> DATA_BYTE [velocity] (0-127) >>> >>> I'm wandering if Pd have a simple object to extract the noteOn / noteOff >>> message from the STATUS_BYTE. >> >> I think you should be able with [midiin]. >> >> Note that as per MIDI spec, 'note off' can be either an explicit 'note >> off' message also containing a 'release velocity' value or (more common) >> a note on with velocity equal to zero (for example this is how Pd does a >> note on/off if you use the [makenote] object. >> >> Lorenzo > > -------- > Dan Wilcox > @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> > danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> > robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > <https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list> > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > <https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list> > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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