this [image: Screen Shot 2023-11-12 at 10.31.08.png] Em dom., 12 de nov. de 2023 às 09:40, Ico Bukvic <i...@vt.edu> escreveu:
> So, what happens when you get to run Pd-L2Ork on 10.14? > > Best, > > Ico > > -- > Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. > Director, Creativity + Innovation > Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology > > Virginia Tech > Creative Technologies in Music > School of Performing Arts – 0141 > Blacksburg, VA 24061 > (540) 231-6139 > i...@vt.edu > > ci.icat.vt.edu > l2ork.icat.vt.edu > ico.bukvic.net > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, 00:29 Alexandre Torres Porres <por...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Yeah, sure, thanks, it's definitely worth looking since you already have >> it working and all. I'm all up for it of course. BTW, I cannot run the >> latest pd-l2ork on my 10.14.6 macOS, but I'm having a look at Purr Data to >> remember how it rolls... I was never able to really fully understand it. >> >> Let me see if I have the slightest idea correctly. It seems you have >> [preset_hub] that manages (stores and recalls) presets. And you have the >> [preset_node] object that connects to GUIs and things you want to store >> data from. BTW, seems like a more "Vanilla like" convention would be a >> single [preset] object, and you could have [preset hub] and [preset node]. >> Anyway, if a change to the core is needed and a whole preset system layout >> is to be provided, I wonder if we could also have "preset node names" as >> built in symbols in GUI objects. And it'd be great if we could also have >> interpolation and morphing, with exponential curves, as in my system in >> ELSE, with the [preset hub] object. >> >> cheers >> >> Em dom., 12 de nov. de 2023 às 01:37, Ico Bukvic <i...@vt.edu> escreveu: >> >>> I encourage Miller and the vanilla community to explore pd-l2ork's >>> preset_hub and preset_node (see x_preset.c). It will require pd to adopt >>> keeping glist consistent across various operations (cut/copy/undo/redo >>> etc.). Once done, it allows for presetting of individual objects through >>> various contexts that are both embeddable in the patch or can be saved into >>> a file. Most importantly, this mechanism is able to distinguish between >>> multiple instances of the same abstraction. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Ico >>> >>> -- >>> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. >>> Director, Creativity + Innovation >>> Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD >>> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology >>> >>> Virginia Tech >>> Creative Technologies in Music >>> School of Performing Arts – 0141 >>> Blacksburg, VA 24061 >>> (540) 231-6139 >>> i...@vt.edu >>> >>> ci.icat.vt.edu >>> l2ork.icat.vt.edu >>> ico.bukvic.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 7:58 PM Alexandre Torres Porres < >>> por...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Em sáb., 11 de nov. de 2023 às 16:11, Alexandre Torres Porres < >>>> por...@gmail.com> escreveu: >>>> >>>>> Or yet a new functionality for [pdcontrol] if not in [send] or a whole >>>>> new object >>>>> >>>> >>>> A "retrieve" method to [value] would actually make sense. >>>> >>>> Anyway, I'm giving ideas and most probably most of you don't really >>>> know about my preset system in ELSE in detail. The key element is >>>> [savestate], which saves the data in a patch, which are values and receive >>>> destinations. So I'm not thinking of another object for preset management, >>>> just using this existing one for that, as a side product. The data is saved >>>> in a [text] object, which is the best plase to store such a thing and it's >>>> the 2nd key element per se. >>>> >>>> The "retrieve" function is to "grab" the data from objects connected or >>>> bound to existing "receive" objects/symbols. This makes things much easier >>>> and I hope things are clearer. >>>> >>>> [value] seems now like a good candidate for this functionality. It >>>> would require the injection of a lot of code for this, but maybe that's ok, >>>> not sure if this is a good reason to create a whole new object. And it fits >>>> into the idea of [value], which can already send a value to another object, >>>> so why can't it also 'grab'/'retrieve'? >>>> >>>> And also, the external abstraction that I mentioned could also be part >>>> of the 'extra' library that comes with the Pd distribution, which already >>>> has some abstractions anyway. While we're at it, I was already hoping to >>>> include yet another abstraction there, a biquad coefficient calculator for >>>> the [biquad~] object. >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 at 16:08 Alexandre Torres Porres <por...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Else’s has morphing, interpolation, etc and is an abstraction that >>>>>> uses [savestate] and [text] mainly. >>>>>> >>>>>> It also relies on an external, [retrieve], similar to [grab] from >>>>>> MAX. This one gets data from objects connected to named [receive] >>>>>> objects. >>>>>> One could make a vanilla version without it, but it’d be much more >>>>>> complicated. Or we could have a new [grab] / [retrieve] like object in >>>>>> Vanilla, and I could build a Vanilla external abstraction and bring my >>>>>> system to vanilla like that. >>>>>> >>>>>> We maybe don’t even need a new object and could have something like >>>>>> an extra functionality in [send] where it can get things back. I think >>>>>> some >>>>>> net objects work like that and it would hopefully not be too weird or >>>>>> crazy, and maybe people would likewise abuse this for other use cases. >>>>>> >>>>>> Seems like a very not much intrusive addition that opens the door for >>>>>> this. What do you people think? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 at 08:39 KHM t.hartmann <t.hartm...@khm.de> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 as well, for a native preset system. >>>>>>> Best would be the possibility for interpolation between values in >>>>>>> various ways, from jump to customisable interpolation curves. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dr. Tobias Hartmann >>>>>>> Künstlerisch-Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter / Assistant Professor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> exMedia - Sound >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kunsthochschule für Medien Köln (KHM) >>>>>>> Academy of Media Arts Cologne >>>>>>> Peter-Welter-Platz 2 >>>>>>> 50676 Köln >>>>>>> >>>>>>> t.hartm...@khm.de >>>>>>> +49 (0) 221 20189 228 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.khm.de >>>>>>> www.exmedia.khm.de >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.hartmanntobias.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 11.11.2023 um 12:02 schrieb hans w. koch <hansw.k...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 for a native preset system. thats the one thing i miss thinking >>>>>>> back of the times i used max/msp (particularily the morphing feature). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> advantage over else: it can then be used in PdParty e.g. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers >>>>>>> hans >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 11.11.2023 um 06:47 schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres < >>>>>>> por...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm revisiting this. I'm proud of my presets system in ELSE but I >>>>>>> think Pd needs something natively. What do you people think and say? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Em sex., 22 de jan. de 2021 às 14:27, Alexandre Torres Porres < >>>>>>> por...@gmail.com> escreveu: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Em sex., 22 de jan. de 2021 às 01:35, Alexandre Torres Porres < >>>>>>> por...@gmail.com> escreveu: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's the "morphing" or "interpolation" thing that I may be still >>>>>>> neglecting and thinking that using things "line" objects is just as >>>>>>> fine, >>>>>>> but let's see. I'll also look into how max does interpolation, someone >>>>>>> already told me that, I think I have an idea for that too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I neglected the fact that [line] doesn't work with lists :) so I >>>>>>> created an object that does it called [morph]. Hence, this takes care of >>>>>>> preset transitions. I don't think it's necessary to put this feature >>>>>>> inside >>>>>>> the preset object as it makes it more complicated and in the end it's >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> this is a separate object as it's also useful outside the preset system >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> can be used on its own to morph into different arrays and stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm doing something similar for interpolation, with another object >>>>>>> to allow one to manually interpolate between values and lists of values, >>>>>>> also incorporating that feature from Max. This should all be up in my >>>>>>> repository this weeked. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>>> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >>>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>>> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>>
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