> Can you (and Ben too if he's willing) try these...

sure! - here are my results for the new Pd-0.55-0test3a (or did you
actually mean to check Pd-0.55-0test2c once more?) with 'time':
/Applications/Pd-0.55-0test3a.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -send "pd
quit"  0.03s user 0.02s system 2% cpu 2.132 total
/Applications/Pd-0.55-0test3a.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -noverbose
 -send  0.02s user 0.03s system 2% cpu 2.202 total
/Applications/Pd-0.55-0test3a.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -noverbose
 -send  0.01s user 0.02s system 2% cpu 1.532 total
/Applications/Pd-0.55-0test3a.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -noverbose
 -send  0.02s user 0.02s system 2% cpu 2.132 total

... there's a bit of variation though - therefore i'm additionally
measuring with repeated runs through hyperfine with a "warmup"
(as learnt from iohannes' tests ... see
https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2024-05/133227.html and
https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2024-05/133242.html ):

hyperfine --warmup 3 -L params '-send "pd quit"','-nosound -send "pd
quit"','-noprefs -send "pd quit"','-nostdpath -send "pd quit"'
'/Applications/Pd-0.55-0test3a.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd {params}'

Benchmark 1: /Applications/Pd-0.55-0test3a.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-send "pd quit"
  Time (mean ± σ):      1.545 s ±  0.007 s    [User: 0.017 s, System: 0.015 s]
  Range (min … max):    1.530 s …  1.553 s    10 runs

Benchmark 2: /Applications/Pd-0.55-0test3a.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-nosound -send "pd quit"
  Time (mean ± σ):      1.545 s ±  0.008 s    [User: 0.017 s, System: 0.015 s]
  Range (min … max):    1.531 s …  1.554 s    10 runs

 Benchmark 3: /Applications/Pd-0.55-0test3a.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-noprefs -send "pd quit"
  Time (mean ± σ):      1.524 s ±  0.016 s    [User: 0.010 s, System: 0.014 s]
  Range (min … max):    1.505 s …  1.559 s    10 runs

 Benchmark 4: /Applications/Pd-0.55-0test3a.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-nostdpath -send "pd quit"
  Time (mean ± σ):      1.546 s ±  0.015 s    [User: 0.017 s, System: 0.015 s]
  Range (min … max):    1.529 s …  1.581 s    10 runs

... so these results are quite similar (unless started with "-nogui")

i also got the dialog that william mentions though. could this be
connected? are those test versions signed the same way as Pd-0.54-1? i
gave them permission manually in the security settings to avoid the
repeated warnings and didn't remember if i did the same for pd-0.54-1.
but obviously, it's not necessary there (just reinstalled that one to
check, too ... hoping i didn't miss any persisting settings there!).

cheers,
ben

On Sat, Jun 1, 2024 at 7:33 AM Miller Puckette <mpucke...@cloud.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
> Hmm, sounds like there are more than one problem...
>
> Can you (and Ben too if he's willing) try these...
>
> time ..../Pd-0.55-0test2c.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -send "pd quit"
>
> time ..../Pd-0.55-0test2c.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -nosound -send
> "pd quit"
>
> time ..../Pd-0.55-0test2c.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -noprefs -send
> "pd quit"
>
> time ..../Pd-0.55-0test2c.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -nostdpath -send
> "pd quit"
>
> I'm grasping at straws here :) Guessing that William's 8-second startup
> and new popup might be something external that's fighting with some Mac
> plist setting in Pd that might have changed.
>
> thanks
> M
>
> On 6/1/24 12:12 AM, William Brent wrote:
> > Thanks for this new release! Unfortunately, I can confirm the extra
> > startup delay for macOS... I tested on an M1 machine with 64GB of
> > memory running macOS 14.5.
> >
> > Also, I get the attached popup every time I open the app, even after
> > clicking "allow." Maybe there's something in macOS preferences that
> > will suppress it? After clicking "allow," it takes a full 8sec for the
> > Pd window to appear. I've only timed this casually with my watch at
> > this point, but after trying multiple times I can say that it's
> > consistently around 8sec for me here. Pd-0.54-1 consistently springs
> > to life in about 1sec for me.
> >
> > I'm happy to run any specific test routines if I can be useful on this.
> > William
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 1:10 PM Miller Puckette
> > <mpucke...@cloud.ucsd.edu> wrote:
> >
> >     Test 3 is out.  This should resolve all the trouble we've had with
> >     test2
> >     except that one tester on MacOS is still finding that Pd 0.55
> >     loads way
> >     more slowly than 0.54 - I  don't see that happening on my machine
> >     and I
> >     don't know how many machines will be affected... it might take a
> >     while
> >     to track this one down, but hopefully it won't affect many
> >     people.  If
> >     you _do_ notice longer startup times on MacOS please let me (or
> >     the Pd
> >     list) know - with more data points it migth be easier for me to
> >     replicate the problem for myself.
> >
> >     as usual: http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm OR
> >     https://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
> >
> >     source on github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data
> >     
> > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data__;!!Mih3wA!GVjycnnXvxANGR5EvpOhP-gDSVl648XDg2uY4mOCl4Bx2j-OYstW0TnDQ7n7R0W2zf5OF7RaFNFSCSjeka4$>
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> >     cheers
> >
> >     Miller
> >
> >
> >
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