On 2015-08-26 at 10:02:10 +0200, Ingo Schmid wrote: > > Hi, > > I saw kentfredric are working on gentoo ebuilds, These I've created for > my personal use over the years. Some, at least one, I uploaded to genoo > bugzilla, but nothing came of it in terms of release, so I guess I > stopped bothering, sorry. > > Maybe they are useful.
Definitely would be a useful! You should add them to that issue. > > Ingo > PS: I wonder where and how to upload them to github? Unfortunately, GitHub does not support uploading files yet. However, there is a quick way of sharing files through Gist <https://gist.github.com/>. Just make a Gist with these files and share the link on the issue. Tip: Gist is essentially a Git repository for sharing code snippets, so you can create a Gist and clone it to add all the other files easily without having to copy-and-paste. Cheers, - Zaki Mughal > > On 08/25/2015 07:42 PM, Zakariyya Mughal wrote: > > On 2015-08-24 at 23:48:51 +0000, Chris Marshall wrote: > >> PDL Developers- > >> > >> With the addition of two active and highly motivated PDL developers > >> (Zakariyya Mughal and Guggle "Ed" Worth) we've made significant progress > >> in cleaning up the PDL distribution itself and the development process > >> itself. PDL is now run through test builds automatically on git commit > >> via the Travis-CI framework of github. Many perl platforms and PDL > >> configuration options are exercised. PDL-2.013 was the best tested > >> pre-release release ever. > >> > >> The current process we've been working toward is to make > >> PDL development faster and more responsive by breaking up the current > >> monolithic PDL distribution into a lean core (roughly the current > >> PDL::Core, PDL:PP, and PDL::Slices) and spinning off the other modules > >> for IO, Graphics, and Library interfaces as their own CPAN releases. > >> This would enable the separate module/distributions to have a faster > >> development-test-relese cycle since that process would not be held up by > >> the testing of the full PDL distribution with all its subcomponents, > >> even if they are completely independent/unrelated to the separate module > >> changes being made. > >> > >> We're ready to make the split, but there is a catch... How can we > >> have the rapid agile development needed to bring the next generation > >> PDL3 possible _without_ losing the "PDL just works" that has been one of > >> the primary focus of PDL-2.x development since I volunteered as release > >> manager circa PDL-2.4.3 [sic]? > >> > >> There has been some discussion, largely on #pdl, about how to best > >> proceed. One idea is to move to a constant release mode which could be > >> expedited by adding co-maints to PDL. I've not acted on that largely > >> because I feel that PDL just working, easy to get and start to use, is > >> essential to survive as a minority numeric computation engine (compared > >> with R, NumPy, Octave/MATLAB). How can we grow market share if it takes > >> a perl expert to start using PDL? > >> > >> That said, I think the "big split" is the best way forward for PDL > >> to grow and thrive. The ideas for the PDL3 core engine show great > >> promise for the kind of dynamic development as occurred when Karl first > >> conceived and implemented the idea that would become PDL. > >> Unfortunately, my experience with rapid sequential releases is a sort of > >> "churn" where it is difficult to know if you'll be able to get a working > >> module at any given release. So what to do... > >> > >> One idea I had is change the stable PDL release distribution into a > >> PDL bundle. That would be the "stable PDL" that would be easy to get > >> and install. The sub-modules would then be able to have independent > >> development forming the "experimental PDL" track. Another way, a bit > >> more crude, would be to make a fixed "stable PDL" release that would be > >> the one to install. Maybe we could use specific version information to > >> work with cpan, cpanm,... > >> > >> Here's where we need your input for discussion and consensus. > >> Please feel free to comment on any of the above, or to offer your own > >> thoughts. The goal is to select the preferred approach for modern PDL > >> development and move out on it. I would like to complete this discuss > >> process within the next two weeks. At that point we should be able to > >> make a specific plan for any final comments with the agile development > >> to begin shortly after. > >> > >> Let the discussions begin! > > Hello Chris, > > > > First off, thank you for starting this conversation. > > > > Ed and I have been working on and off as time permits on preparing for > > the split. The work we've been doing hasn't really generated much > > traffic on the pdl-devel mailing list, but the #pdl and PDLPorters > > GitHub organisation shows a very different story. There is a lot going > > on there every few days. The discussion on those two mediums is a little > > more agile than the mailing list or SourceForge and helps with formulating > > > > I highly recommend joining both by watching the repositories in > > PDLPorters and following the IRC by either joining in a client or > > tracking the backlog with <http://irclog.perlgeek.de/pdl/>. > > > > I'd like to summarise some of what we came up with on GitHub/IRC: > > > > 1. A split is necessary to not only make releases easier, but also > > development. We have worked on reducing the time required to build > > PDL across multiple environments down to a little over 1 hour. > > > > This is still too long when you have perhaps 1.5 hours of tuits that > > day. So the work inevitably gets spread out over weeks. > > > > A split would help decrease this friction. > > > > 2. Making `cpanm PDL` always work has always part of the plan. > > Improving the PDL devops has helped with that. The plan is to > > continue doing that. > > > > But large refactors such as this split can be quite daunting. We > > can't be sure we will stick the landing right the first time. But > > the job needs to move forward or it will fail via analysis paralysis > > even before it has begun. > > > > 3. Ed and I have been thinking about releasing a more agile, friendly > > fork of PDL under the PDLA namespace (for PDL Agile). The > > repositories will continue to live under the PDLPorters GitHub > > organisation. > > > > We will start by applying the split. This will be followed by > > improving code coverage, fixes to the 64-bit indexing, formalising > > the badvalue semantics for more functions, and bug-fixes. > > > > We plan on making sure that libraries such as PDL-Stats, PDL-IO-CSV, > > etc. remain compatible with this library. I believe there is a way > > to do this without making changes to the original code (via a subref > > in @INC). > > > > 4. The modules that come from the split will each be improved so that > > they are easy to install on their own. We already have plans to > > write Alien::Base modules for all of them. > > > > 5. In parallel with this, we will begin reaching out to distribution > > packagers. PDL has not been updated on many of them (some of which > > are on 2.4.x). This is already on the wishlist at > > <https://github.com/PDLPorters/pdl/issues/139>. > > > > 6. The current PDL distribution will remain as it is. Bugfixes will > > continue on PDL and they will be backported from PDLA. This approach > > has worked well for IPython/Jupyter (which underwent a split earlier > > this summer)[^jupyter-split]. Back porting fixes was a large part > > of what they had to go through. > > > > 7. Eventually, after we are sure that PDLA has maintained > > compatibility with PDL, the changes of PDLA will replace the > > current PDL repository. > > > > Finally, I also have some ideas for PDL3 that I will post in about a > > month's time. One of the top priorities on the feature list of PDL3's C > > API needs to be the ability to do optmisations such as loop fusion. I > > need to ponder on how to combine this with the Moo-like metaprogramming > > that we envision. The Julia developers seem to be working on this, but > > there are still big unresolved questions on the issue tracker. > > > > By the way, I think it might be better to avoid putting a number in the > > name of this next major version of PDL. It's a personal opinion that > > stems from marketing issues that are similar to what happened with > > Osborne 1 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect> and somewhat > > with Perl 6. This isn't a strongly held opinion, but I feel that it is > > worth bringing up. > > > > [^jupyter-split]: http://blog.jupyter.org/2015/04/15/the-big-split/ > > > > Cheers, > > - Zaki Mughal > > > >> --Chris > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pdl-devel mailing list > >> pdl-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pdl-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > pdl-devel mailing list > > pdl-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pdl-devel > > # Copyright 1999-2010 Gentoo Foundation > # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2 > # $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/dev-perl/PDL/PDL-2.4.10.ebuild,v 1.0 > # 2012/01/16 13:39:54 tove Exp $ > > EAPI=5 > > PVN=2.007_03 > > SRC_URI="http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/C/CH/CHM/${PN}-${PVN}.tar.gz"; > MODULE_AUTHOR="CHM" > inherit perl-module eutils multilib > S=${WORKDIR}/${PN}-${PVN} > DESCRIPTION="PDL Perl Module" > > LICENSE="Artistic as-is" > SLOT="0" > KEYWORDS="~alpha ~amd64 ~arm ~hppa ~ia64 ~ppc ~s390 ~sh ~sparc ~x86" > IUSE="badval fftw gsl" > > DEPEND=">=sys-libs/ncurses-5.2 > dev-perl/Filter > virtual/perl-File-Spec > virtual/perl-Pod-Parser > dev-perl/Inline > dev-perl/Astro-FITS-Header > >=dev-perl/ExtUtils-F77-1.13 > virtual/perl-Text-Balanced > dev-perl/Term-ReadLine-Perl > gsl? ( sci-libs/gsl ) > fftw? ( sci-libs/fftw:2.1 )" > #opengl? ( virtual/opengl virtual/glu ) > > mydoc="DEPENDENCIES DEVELOPMENT MANIFEST* Release_Notes TODO" > > SRC_TEST="do" > > MAKEOPTS+=" -j1" #300272 > > src_prepare() { > epatch "${FILESDIR}/PDL-2.4.2-makemakerfix.patch" > > # Unconditional -fPIC for the lib (#55238, #180807, #250335) > epatch "${FILESDIR}/${PN}-2.4.4-PIC.patch" > > # TODO: everything in this function below this > # TODO: line really belongs in src_compile() : > > # This 'fix' breaks compiles for non-opengl users > #if ! use opengl ; then > # sed -e "s:WITH_3D => undef:WITH_3D => 0:" \ > # ${FILESDIR}/perldl.conf > ${S}/perldl.conf > #fi > sed -i \ > -e "s:WITH_HDF => undef:WITH_HDF => 0:" \ > -e "s:USE_POGL => undef:USE_POGL => 0:" \ > -e "s:WITH_3D => undef:WITH_3D => 1:" "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > > if use badval ; then > sed -i -e "s:WITH_BADVAL => 0:WITH_BADVAL => 1:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > fi > > # Turn off GSL automagic: > if use gsl ; then > sed -i -e "s:WITH_GSL => undef:WITH_GSL => 1:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > else > sed -i -e "s:WITH_GSL => undef:WITH_GSL => 0:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > fi > # Turn off FFTW automagic too: > if use fftw ; then > sed -i -e "s:WITH_FFTW => undef:WITH_FFTW => 1:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > else > sed -i -e "s:WITH_FFTW => undef:WITH_FFTW => 0:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > fi > } > > src_install() { > perl-module_src_install > > cp "${S}"/Doc/{scantree.pl,mkhtmldoc.pl} "${D}"/${VENDOR_ARCH}/PDL/Doc/ > || die > } > > pkg_postinst() { > if [[ ${ROOT} = / ]] ; then > perl ${VENDOR_ARCH}/PDL/Doc/scantree.pl > elog "Building perldl.db done. You can recreate this at any > time" > elog "by running" > else > elog "You must create perldl.db by running" > fi > elog "perl ${VENDOR_ARCH}/PDL/Doc/scantree.pl" > elog "PDL requires that glx and dri support be enabled in" > elog "your X configuration for certain parts of the graphics" > elog "engine to work. See your X's documentation for futher" > elog "information." > } > # Copyright 1999-2010 Gentoo Foundation > # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2 > # $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/dev-perl/PDL/PDL-2.4.10.ebuild,v 1.0 > # 2012/01/16 13:39:54 tove Exp $ > > EAPI=5 > > PVN=2.007_04 > > SRC_URI="http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/C/CH/CHM/${PN}-${PVN}.tar.gz"; > MODULE_AUTHOR="CHM" > inherit perl-module eutils multilib > S=${WORKDIR}/${PN}-${PVN} > DESCRIPTION="PDL Perl Module" > > LICENSE="Artistic as-is" > SLOT="0" > KEYWORDS="~alpha ~amd64 ~arm ~hppa ~ia64 ~ppc ~s390 ~sh ~sparc ~x86" > IUSE="badval fftw gsl" > > DEPEND=">=sys-libs/ncurses-5.2 > dev-perl/Filter > virtual/perl-File-Spec > virtual/perl-Pod-Parser > dev-perl/Inline > dev-perl/Astro-FITS-Header > >=dev-perl/ExtUtils-F77-1.13 > virtual/perl-Text-Balanced > dev-perl/Term-ReadLine-Perl > gsl? ( sci-libs/gsl ) > fftw? ( sci-libs/fftw:2.1 )" > #opengl? ( virtual/opengl virtual/glu ) > > mydoc="DEPENDENCIES DEVELOPMENT MANIFEST* Release_Notes TODO" > > SRC_TEST="do" > > MAKEOPTS+=" -j1" #300272 > > src_prepare() { > epatch "${FILESDIR}/PDL-2.4.2-makemakerfix.patch" > > # Unconditional -fPIC for the lib (#55238, #180807, #250335) > epatch "${FILESDIR}/${PN}-2.4.4-PIC.patch" > > # TODO: everything in this function below this > # TODO: line really belongs in src_compile() : > > # This 'fix' breaks compiles for non-opengl users > #if ! use opengl ; then > # sed -e "s:WITH_3D => undef:WITH_3D => 0:" \ > # ${FILESDIR}/perldl.conf > ${S}/perldl.conf > #fi > sed -i \ > -e "s:WITH_HDF => undef:WITH_HDF => 0:" \ > -e "s:USE_POGL => undef:USE_POGL => 0:" \ > -e "s:WITH_3D => undef:WITH_3D => 1:" "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > > if use badval ; then > sed -i -e "s:WITH_BADVAL => 0:WITH_BADVAL => 1:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > fi > > # Turn off GSL automagic: > if use gsl ; then > sed -i -e "s:WITH_GSL => undef:WITH_GSL => 1:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > else > sed -i -e "s:WITH_GSL => undef:WITH_GSL => 0:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > fi > # Turn off FFTW automagic too: > if use fftw ; then > sed -i -e "s:WITH_FFTW => undef:WITH_FFTW => 1:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > else > sed -i -e "s:WITH_FFTW => undef:WITH_FFTW => 0:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > fi > } > > src_install() { > perl-module_src_install > > cp "${S}"/Doc/{scantree.pl,mkhtmldoc.pl} "${D}"/${VENDOR_ARCH}/PDL/Doc/ > || die > } > > pkg_postinst() { > if [[ ${ROOT} = / ]] ; then > perl ${VENDOR_ARCH}/PDL/Doc/scantree.pl > elog "Building perldl.db done. You can recreate this at any > time" > elog "by running" > else > elog "You must create perldl.db by running" > fi > elog "perl ${VENDOR_ARCH}/PDL/Doc/scantree.pl" > elog "PDL requires that glx and dri support be enabled in" > elog "your X configuration for certain parts of the graphics" > elog "engine to work. See your X's documentation for futher" > elog "information." > } > # Copyright 1999-2010 Gentoo Foundation > # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2 > # $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/dev-perl/PDL/PDL-2.4.10.ebuild,v 1.0 > # 2012/01/16 13:39:54 tove Exp $ > > EAPI=5 > > PVN=2.012 > > SRC_URI="http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/C/CH/CHM/${PN}-${PVN}.tar.gz"; > MODULE_AUTHOR="CHM" > inherit perl-module eutils multilib > S=${WORKDIR}/${PN}-${PVN} > DESCRIPTION="PDL Perl Module" > > LICENSE="Artistic as-is" > SLOT="0" > KEYWORDS="~alpha ~amd64 ~arm ~hppa ~ia64 ~ppc ~s390 ~sh ~sparc ~x86" > IUSE="badval fftw gsl proj" > > DEPEND=">=sys-libs/ncurses-5.2 > dev-perl/Filter > virtual/perl-File-Spec > virtual/perl-Pod-Parser > dev-perl/Inline > proj? ( dev-perl/Inline-C ) > dev-perl/Astro-FITS-Header > perl-gcpan/Devel-CheckLib > >=dev-perl/ExtUtils-F77-1.13 > virtual/perl-Text-Balanced > dev-perl/Term-ReadLine-Perl > gsl? ( sci-libs/gsl ) > proj? ( sci-libs/proj ) > fftw? ( sci-libs/fftw:2.1 )" > #opengl? ( virtual/opengl virtual/glu ) > > mydoc="DEPENDENCIES DEVELOPMENT MANIFEST* Release_Notes TODO" > > SRC_TEST="do" > > MAKEOPTS+=" -j1" #300272 > > src_prepare() { > epatch "${FILESDIR}/PDL-2.4.2-makemakerfix.patch" > > # Unconditional -fPIC for the lib (#55238, #180807, #250335) > epatch "${FILESDIR}/${PN}-2.4.4-PIC.patch" > > # TODO: everything in this function below this > # TODO: line really belongs in src_compile() : > > # This 'fix' breaks compiles for non-opengl users > #if ! use opengl ; then > # sed -e "s:WITH_3D => undef:WITH_3D => 0:" \ > # ${FILESDIR}/perldl.conf > ${S}/perldl.conf > #fi > sed -i \ > -e "s:WITH_HDF => undef:WITH_HDF => 0:" \ > -e "s:USE_POGL => undef:USE_POGL => 0:" \ > -e "s:WITH_3D => undef:WITH_3D => 1:" "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > > if use badval ; then > sed -i -e "s:WITH_BADVAL => 0:WITH_BADVAL => 1:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > fi > > # Turn off GSL automagic: > if use gsl ; then > sed -i -e "s:WITH_GSL => undef:WITH_GSL => 1:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > else > sed -i -e "s:WITH_GSL => undef:WITH_GSL => 0:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > fi > # Turn off FFTW automagic too: > if use fftw ; then > sed -i -e "s:WITH_FFTW => undef:WITH_FFTW => 1:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > else > sed -i -e "s:WITH_FFTW => undef:WITH_FFTW => 0:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > fi > # Turn off Proj4 automagic too: > if use proj ; then > sed -i -e "s:WITH_PROJ => undef:WITH_PROJ => 1:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > else > sed -i -e "s:WITH_PROJ => undef:WITH_PROJ => 0:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > fi > } > > src_install() { > perl-module_src_install > > cp "${S}"/Doc/{scantree.pl,mkhtmldoc.pl} "${D}"/${VENDOR_ARCH}/PDL/Doc/ > || die > } > > pkg_postinst() { > if [[ ${ROOT} = / ]] ; then > perl ${VENDOR_ARCH}/PDL/Doc/scantree.pl > elog "Building perldl.db done. You can recreate this at any > time" > elog "by running" > else > elog "You must create perldl.db by running" > fi > elog "perl ${VENDOR_ARCH}/PDL/Doc/scantree.pl" > elog "PDL requires that glx and dri support be enabled in" > elog "your X configuration for certain parts of the graphics" > elog "engine to work. See your X's documentation for futher" > elog "information." > } > # Copyright 1999-2010 Gentoo Foundation > # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2 > # $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/dev-perl/PDL/PDL-2.4.10.ebuild,v 1.0 > # 2012/01/16 13:39:54 tove Exp $ > > EAPI=5 > > PVN=2.013 > > SRC_URI="http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/C/CH/CHM/${PN}-${PVN}.tar.gz"; > MODULE_AUTHOR="CHM" > inherit perl-module eutils multilib > S=${WORKDIR}/${PN}-${PVN} > DESCRIPTION="PDL Perl Module" > > LICENSE="Artistic as-is" > SLOT="0" > KEYWORDS="~alpha ~amd64 ~arm ~hppa ~ia64 ~ppc ~s390 ~sh ~sparc ~x86" > IUSE="badval fftw gsl proj" > > DEPEND=">=sys-libs/ncurses-5.2 > dev-perl/Filter > virtual/perl-File-Spec > virtual/perl-Pod-Parser > dev-perl/Inline > proj? ( dev-perl/Inline-C ) > dev-perl/Astro-FITS-Header > perl-gcpan/Devel-CheckLib > >=dev-perl/ExtUtils-F77-1.13 > virtual/perl-Text-Balanced > dev-perl/Term-ReadLine-Perl > gsl? ( sci-libs/gsl ) > proj? ( sci-libs/proj ) > fftw? ( sci-libs/fftw:2.1 )" > #opengl? ( virtual/opengl virtual/glu ) > > mydoc="DEPENDENCIES DEVELOPMENT MANIFEST* Release_Notes TODO" > > SRC_TEST="do" > > MAKEOPTS+=" -j1" #300272 > > src_prepare() { > epatch "${FILESDIR}/PDL-2.4.2-makemakerfix.patch" > > # Unconditional -fPIC for the lib (#55238, #180807, #250335) > epatch "${FILESDIR}/${PN}-2.4.4-PIC.patch" > > # TODO: everything in this function below this > # TODO: line really belongs in src_compile() : > > # This 'fix' breaks compiles for non-opengl users > #if ! use opengl ; then > # sed -e "s:WITH_3D => undef:WITH_3D => 0:" \ > # ${FILESDIR}/perldl.conf > ${S}/perldl.conf > #fi > sed -i \ > -e "s:WITH_HDF => undef:WITH_HDF => 0:" \ > -e "s:USE_POGL => undef:USE_POGL => 0:" \ > -e "s:WITH_3D => undef:WITH_3D => 1:" "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > > if use badval ; then > sed -i -e "s:WITH_BADVAL => 0:WITH_BADVAL => 1:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > fi > > # Turn off GSL automagic: > if use gsl ; then > sed -i -e "s:WITH_GSL => undef:WITH_GSL => 1:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > else > sed -i -e "s:WITH_GSL => undef:WITH_GSL => 0:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > fi > # Turn off FFTW automagic too: > if use fftw ; then > sed -i -e "s:WITH_FFTW => undef:WITH_FFTW => 1:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > else > sed -i -e "s:WITH_FFTW => undef:WITH_FFTW => 0:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > fi > # Turn off Proj4 automagic too: > if use proj ; then > sed -i -e "s:WITH_PROJ => undef:WITH_PROJ => 1:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > else > sed -i -e "s:WITH_PROJ => undef:WITH_PROJ => 0:" > "${S}/perldl.conf" || die > fi > } > > src_install() { > perl-module_src_install > > cp "${S}"/Doc/{scantree.pl,mkhtmldoc.pl} "${D}"/${VENDOR_ARCH}/PDL/Doc/ > || die > } > > pkg_postinst() { > if [[ ${ROOT} = / ]] ; then > perl ${VENDOR_ARCH}/PDL/Doc/scantree.pl > elog "Building perldl.db done. You can recreate this at any > time" > elog "by running" > else > elog "You must create perldl.db by running" > fi > elog "perl ${VENDOR_ARCH}/PDL/Doc/scantree.pl" > elog "PDL requires that glx and dri support be enabled in" > elog "your X configuration for certain parts of the graphics" > elog "engine to work. See your X's documentation for futher" > elog "information." > } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pdl-devel mailing list pdl-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pdl-devel
