My usual comment on all these things that the mystical types consider proof
a a grand design is "If I designed the universe pi would not be an
irrational number".

In fact there would be no irrational numbers in a rational universe. And,
you sure shouldn't need non-numbers to make your number system work. Numbers
are a product of the human mind, a useful tool, not a universal truth.

Wow, I am agreeing with Don on something. Now there is a wonder.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 8:04 AM
Subject: Aethetics and clear thinking


> Cause and Effect
>
> There is something about the 'Golden Section', the 'Golden Triangle', the
> 'Golden Proportions' or 'Rule of Thirds' or any other name one cares to
> choose for these elusive photographic or pictorial qualities, that is
> unconducive to clear thinking. Pentax users, amongst the most intelligent
of
> photographers, if only for their choice of lenses, are no better at
sorting
> it out than anyone else. Why? Because Nature does not obey any
mathematical
> rules.
>
> Numbers mean nothing to a virus particle (virion) or a crystal of gold, or
> the amorphous aggregation of crystals found in steel, or the bones of my
> leg. The arrangement of the capsomers that form the envelope of an
> icosahedral virion for example, is not such because of numbers, but
because
> of the nature of the different capsomers themselves. Some are pentagonal
> others hexagonal. They fit together neatly. The shape is determined by
their
> own sub-units and how they tend to join and the shape of these are in turn
> determined by genetic information. They are built upon  genetic templates
> and their structure is determined by either RNA or DNA which carries the
> 'blueprint' for construction. We can now draw beautiful diagrams of how
> these all fit together and write mathematical formulae that predict how
this
> comes about. Geodesic domes and Virus particles are similar in
construction.
> Forgive me for being simplistic here.
>
> Now along comes a nutty Creationist who say's, "See how even the humble
> viruses obey God's Mathematical Laws of Nature?" He sits down and starts
to
> calculate. This is how it usually starts. Numbers can ~only~ be used to
> describe what happens in nature, not to determine it: But even then only
up
> to a point. In some cases with great accuracy, in others only
approximately,
> most times not at all.
>
> To say that there is a mathematical rule for beautiful composition is like
> making a rule for my behaviour from the information (usually erroneous)
that
> when I was born the planets were arranged in a particular way. Because of
> this fortunate, or unfortunate coincidence, I must needs do, or not, this
or
> that, on certain days of the week, month or year because my existence and
> the course of my life will forever be determined by this load of crap.
>
> Make your pictures look good and forget about 'Golden' anything. You could
> spend a lifetime measuring masterpieces in museums and galleries around
the
> world and constructing diagrams from them ... but it will only lead you
back
> to square one.
>
> Don
>
> Dr E D F Williams
>
> http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
> Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
> Updated: March 30, 2002
>
>
>

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