Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three shot series)

[Paul Stenquist]

 I didn't receive the first message in this thread. However, I feel I 
should respond. First, I don't equate nudity in a photograph or 
painting with pornography. If this were the case, much of the art in 
Vatican City would have to be considered pornography. Michaelangelo's 
sculptures reveal far more of the human form than do my photographs. 
I'm not saying that my work is artful, but it is an attempt at art, and 
the human body has always been considered a fit subject for artistic 
representation. Perhaps more importantly, the link in the PDML 
contained a specific warning for those who would rather not see an 
undraped figure. I don't intend to leave the photos in my folder for 
very long. However, some may still wish to view them. But at the end of 
this day, I will remove them. By the way, I am a practicing Christian. 
My wife, incidentally, found the photos quite beautiful as did the 
mother of the young lady who modeled for me.
Paul Stenquist
On Jul 12, 2004, at 2:36 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

:----- Original Message -----
:From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
:
:> #1  "Teats" is still commonly used in the agricultural community, 
particularly dairy production,
:> when speaking in mixed company.  It's just the civil &:courteous 
thing to do.
:
:Interesting. I didn't know that. Mammalian glands on humans have names
:derived from the corresponding glands in other species in many 
languages, I
:think. More or less honourable...
:
:> #2  It would be appropriate, especially in a group of mixed world 
views, not to place links to such
:> material in PDML.  Many of us have enough trouble keeping porn out 
of the house without it
:> being handed to us.  (Yes, this is porn because of its clearly 
sensual content.)
:
:It would also be appropriate not to demand of everyone to look upon 
sensual
:content as porn. I, for one, differ strongly between the two.

I made no demand; just presented a term with an understood definition.
But I also cannot present my point by sacrificing my world view.
It's easy to obfuscate between "art" and "pornography", missing the 
point that
pornography is the nature of content and art is, generally, the 
character in which
content is presented.

:> #3  Your title and clearly sensual composition have absolutely 
nothing to do with the Biblical
:> account.  This is a patent insult to those of Judeo-Christian 
heritage because it alters the
:> story from on of sin (which would lead to redemption) and makes it 
a display of mere sensuality.
:
:The process of biblical sayings diverging from it's original meaning 
started
:centuries ago. It's a natural process.
:Also, I don't see how you can take it upon yourself to speak for me 
with
:regards to the insult part. I'm certainly of Judeo-christian heritage 
and
:don't feel insulted at all.

But, to those who hold to the content of the Bible as truthful and 
trustworthy, it is.

:> #5.  Don't keep confusing Puritan morality with the rest of 
Christianity.
:> That usage is nothing more than a perjorative.
:
:Sorry, Collin, but I don't think your post made things better in that
:respect. Coming from circles of a living faith, I see your point, but 
I
:don't think the message goes home. Personally, I'd say you come 
across as an
:angry member of List Police.

My only goal is to keep porn out of my house.
:With the anger peeled away I respect your stance, even if I don't 
agree with
:your view of this particular case.
:
:Best,
:Jostein

Collin

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