Cotty,

I respect what you said. I am not suggesting censorship. I am suggesting self-sensorship.

I for one, believe in the right to free speech and free expression. The obvious problem occurs when exercising ones rights to such trample on/or violates another perceived rights.

We all exercise a degree of self-censorship when we are about to say/write something and then have a second thought about how that might affect the recipient, or the recipient's view of ourselves. I am simply suggesting we exercise that same thoughtfulness when it comes to presenting images.

Granted, these images are not imbedded in the PDML... and an individual has a choice...



Tom C.





From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:47:48 +0100


On 13/7/04, Tom C, discombobulated, offered:

>1. We are constantly bombarded by images of sexuality in our society.
>2. Morals have declined significantly in the past 100 or so years. What is
>OK today was not OK yesterday. Did it suddenly become OK or did standards
>change?
>3. Forty/Fifty years ago the commonly held view of the public display of
>nudity put it around the same level as child pornography is viewed today.
>4. The basic building block of civilization is the 'nuclear' family.
>Man/Woman/Child. When commonly accepted standards of morality breaks down,
>families breakdown, civilization breaks down. Hence the decay we see today
>in society as a whole. How does this relate to sexual images? Sexual
>images on the whole do not encourage loyalty to one's mate or family. Many,
>if not most, are designed to appeal to one's selfish prurient interests and
>desires.
>5. Can't we have a forum for disussion about photography where we don't
>bombard each other with sexual images? Is that to much to ask?


I take your point Tom, but what you are suggesting is censorship. Fine if
you were made to sit in front of your monitor and had to view the picture
in question, but the fact is that you don't, especially when the
photographer issues guidance with a warning. It was your choice to view
the images. There are those on this list who disagree with what you have
written above (and I may not necessarily be one), and what you are
suggesting leaves no option for them to view. The way the original poster
proceeded was fair and correct IMO.

With great respect,




Cheers, Cotty


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