Very interesting, Ryan. Thanks for posting. As much as I hate to admit it,
the 20D sure looks attractive on paper, but that has to be balanced against
real world experience.

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On 11/10/04 7:45, Ryan Lee wrote:

> So, time to make the announcement. After returning my ist D, I now find
> myself with a C***n 20D, 17-85 f4-5.6IS USM, a 580EX speedlite, a BG-E2
> battery grip, an E1 hand strap, an extra battery and a B+W MRC UV filter. I
> miss my kidneys.
> 
> Anyway, having had a chance to play with both, here are some comparisons.
> 
> 1. The most obvious one, I miss the sleekness of the tiny ist D (even with a
> grip) holding the 20D and grip. It's chunky. A monstrous monstrosity. And no
> matter what people tell you, the 20D is ugly. The battery grip doesn't make
> an effort to be tiny either. The ist D's grip takes 4 AA's sideways while
> the 20D's grip takes 6 AA's side by side. And what's more, my 16 beloved
> 2500mah Inca Nimh batteries which I spent a fortune on, seem fine browsing
> the 20D, but don't supply enough voltage to shoot! In fact, AA's in the 20D
> hardly work at all, and Canon will tell you that (like they told me). On the
> other hand, my Inca's lasted forever in the ist D (using a 50 1.4). Felt
> like I never had to recharge them. I'm probably going to end up selling them
> now :-(
> 
> 2. The ist D sounds a lot better. The 20D (because of a new mirror design to
> accomodate the short back focus EF-S lenses) sounds, literally, like the
> whole camera was made of wood. Imagine the ist D's to be a 'chlick' vs the
> 20D's 'chlock'. I should capitalise some of that for emphasis too.. Very
> ironic considering the 17-85 is quieter than a dog's tail wagging.
> 
> 3. The 20D, unfortunately, does have superior image quality. I'm probably
> not comparing in the same price/spec range that's why. Amazingly, while the
> ist D produces significant noise at 1600, the 20D at 1600 produces possibly
> the same noise as the ist D's 400. For non RAW shooters, the 20D also
> provides more control over in camera settings e.g. more range to set
> sharpness, contrast etc.
> 
> 4. The 20D's TTL with the 580EX seems to provide more accurate exposures
> than the ist D with the AF360fgz. In low light without AF assist, the 20D
> with the 17-85 focuses much faster than the ist D with the SMC F 50 1.4.
> 
> 5. The 20D does not feel like a walkaround camera. Feels like it should live
> in a studio. This might present problems when I'm backpacking London and
> Paris in a few days.
> 
> 6..Probably other stuff to talk about, but the 20D doesn't allow me to post
> to the PUG. I hope I don't end up Franken-lensing like some.
> 
> Enough for now..
> 
> Cheers,
> Ryan
> 
> PS. Will still be hanging on to my dear 5n. It's taken some good shots and
> I'm sentimental. Plus I need a film camera. Plus it's like a season ticket
> to the list :-) Just an afterthought, what are people paying for a minty SMC
> F 50 1.4 these days?
> 
> 
> 
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