to my eyes, there is a lot of noise in the "without NR" that would have to be removed in Photoshop. lightning at that distance looks a lot like noise to simplistic algorithms that mostly are focused on eliminating hot pixels. i wonder if any other DSLR would far better. i think without smarter noise reduction algorithms, and there are plenty out there in other applications, that you're not going to get better. doing "manual" dark field subtraction wouldn't be terribly effective except for hot pixels.

Herb...
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I've uploaded some samples, so you can see what it was like.

Here's one with noise reduction turned on:
http://www.oksne.net/lyn/lyn_med_nr.jpg

And a 1:1 detail from around the lightning:
http://www.oksne.net/lyn/lyn_med_nr_detalj.jpg

Here's one without noise reduction:
http://www.oksne.net/lyn/lyn_uten_nr.jpg

And a 1:1 detail:
http://www.oksne.net/lyn/lyn_uten_nr_detalj.jpg

The shot with NR is f/9, 30 s, at ISO 400.
The shot without NR is f/10, 30s, at ISO 200.
Conversion from raw file done with photoshop CS.

I believe the noise would have shone through even with a wider aperture. What do you think?




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