I think, but do not know for sure, that his development times are base upon his own experience. Others list times from Forte, the developer manufactures, or who knows where. The point here is he seems to actually use the stuff he sells.
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Mark Cassino wrote:
Over the last several months, I've dug through the archives at APUG, looking into both Classic Pan and the new JandC Pro 100. But, like virtually any internet resource, there is mis-information sitting next to valid info, and telling them apart is the challenge.
I missed the discussion about Forte and Classic Pan being the same - I'll have to do some more searching to dig it up. Did he offer any explanation as to why the developing times on his site are different - often very different - than the times that Forte lists for FortePan 200? (Of course, the times that classicpan.de list are also different from both of the other sites...)
At one point in time Forte and Classic Pan were lumped together on the Massive developer chart -I have a printout from last May showing them together - but now they are separate.
Out of curiosity - have you seen any indication as to what the ultimate origin of the new JandC Pro 100 is? There is a persistent rumor that it is rebranded old Lucky 100 film from China, but JandC has denied that in the APUG (without ever saying where it _does_ come from.) I picked up a few dozen rolls to play around with, but have not found it to be anything near CP200 in terms of quality, and have had only so-so results with HC100, D76, and Rodinal. I recently tried it with Microdol-X 1:3, and it that shows promise, though at this point I've basically relegated it to the Holga, Ansco, and Argus boxes.
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Sure they have. The guy that owns J&C Photo often posts over on the analog photography users group <apug.com>. In fact it was one of his posts that told what was going on with Forte in Hungry.
Anyone still shooting B&W film ought to drop in at apug.com and look about, there is more information there than you could digest in a month of Sundays (as they say).
graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" -----------------------------------
Mark Cassino wrote:
I don't know if this is the same film as Forte - I got it from JandCphoto.com, and don't think that they have ever disclosed who the original manufacturer is. The response to my email from the people at the Classicpan.de site was that the company was insolvent and hoped to start production again.
I only used the 120 film, and it had no writing or imprint along the edge - I got the best results exposing it at ISO 100. I often used a yellow/green X1 filter with it when shooting foliage, and found that it needed an extra bump in the exposure - a 3 stop increase as opposed to a 2 stop increase - with this filter. It also had rather poor reciprocity features, and I found that I had to start adjusting the exposure for times of 2 seconds or longer.
Nonetheless, I got really outstanding results developing this in HC110 or Rodinal. My standard became HC 110, Dil H, 17 minutes with very gentle agitation every 3 minutes for the first 12, then agitation every 2 minutes, and once in the last minute. When it all came together the level of detail and tonal range was just fabulous. I've experimented a bit with Tri-X and a lot with APX-100. I can get close to the same results with APX 100, but never quite the same tonal range and shadow detail. I suspect that the very short developing times for the new Tri-X and HC110 will keep me from ever getting the same from it - at least with HC110.
In terms of the hardener - this film tended to curl, with hardener or not. It was easy to scratch the emulsion when hanging it or pulling it out of the spool, so I went with a hardening fixer. Since it was all was shooting for a while, I just mixed up the fixer with the hardener and left it at that.
Cheers -
MCC
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frantisek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mark Cassino" <pentax-discuss@pdml.net> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Film Hardeners
Saturday, February 5, 2005, 4:35:31 AM, Mark wrote:
MC> Last year I really fell in love with Classic Pan 200, and shot a ton of it.
MC> It hasn't been available for several months. In response to a recent email
MC> to classicpan.de, I've learned that the company that makes it is insolvent,
MC> hopes to be back,maybe will be in the spring.
Is it the one made by Forte in Hungary?
We bought some bulk from Forte two years ago (we=group of photographers doing digital commercially but interested in old films for personal pleasure). What we wanted was the 400 version but they had a badly labeled batch of 200 they sent us in error. Of course upon densitometry and other tests we found out, and it really was a mistake on their part, as they offered an instant remedy, exchanging it for the 400 and some bonus. So far so good.
It was an interesting film, even the 200 version.
But if they have problems, that's sad. Anybody in Hungary could check it out, please?
Good light! fra
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