Well said, I'm with you here... Beside (maybe) tilting a bit I would not change anything in Josteins picture, certainly not the colors. It is already very good. Do we really have to "process" every photo on the computer nowadays?
greetings Markus >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:41 AM >>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net >>Subject: Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant >> >> >>Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>regarding> > http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694> >> >>> I'd like to see this in B&W, or with a slight sepia tone. People shoot >>> too >>> much color, perhaps because it's what they're used to seeing, or because >>> it's simpler to do (esp in digital), and a lot of photos are >>diminished by >>> that apoproach. A ~good~ thoughful B&W conversion may lift this from the >>> ordinary into something a bit more interesing and with greater impact. >> >> >>I disagree with you here on a couple of points: First, I don't >>think *this* >>image is diminished by being in colour; there are few colours >>here with the >>clothes being B&W and the other elements being muted colours. >> >>Second, I think the application of *sepia* generally makes the finished >>product about the process rather than what was going on in front >>of the lens. >>The original picture then becomes an ingredient in the production >>of a piece >>of what the producer considers artwork; I think in this case the image is >>about sharing something the photographer saw and a moment he experienced. >>(For that reason, the tilt doesn't bother me.) >> >>Third, I think that b&w vs. colour *is* largely a matter of taste and >>opinion, and I disagree with your opinion that "people shoot too >>much color" although I agree that the reason for all this colour >>shooting is >>that they see in colour. To me, for instance, colour photographs are more >>interesting to look at than b&w ones because they are more >>"real". To hold my >>attention, a black & white photograph has to be REALLY compelling in its >>content (some people on this list consistently shoot such compelling >>monochrome images.) >> >>My own history with black & white may explain my prejudices in this area: >>Although I have taken a few b&w photographs because I thought the subject >>matter needed b&w, most of the b&w I have ever shot was done in >>that medium >>either because I was restricted by my budget (years ago) or because I was >>restricted by the end use. I've read somewhere the suggestion that b&w >>photography would've never come up if the first technology to produce >>photographs had produced colour; frankly I suspect this is true. >>It started >>out as a limitation of the technology! like coarse grain in >>low-light shots, >>and sometimes reintroducing the limitation serves no purpose. >> >>Of course, sometimes it DOES serve a purpose ... >> >>But, this photograph we're discussing has a pretty clear content; isn't >>cluttered with any brightly-coloured distractions; doesn't need >>any "artistic" help like conversion to black and white or >>(shudder) sepia or >>(retch) infrared or cross-processing or (scream!) semi-conversion >>to negative >>to improve it. It's a slice of life and as such, is great just >>the way it is. >>IMO. >> >>Of course, I am in no way suggesting that your opinion ("people shoot too >>much color ... ") is not valid but since I hold an opposing opinion, I >>thought I would share it. >> >>ERNR >> >>
