> 
> From: "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/07/14 Thu AM 09:11:15 GMT
> To: <pentax-discuss@pdml.net>
> Subject: RE: Theory of Equivalency
> 
> I think your explanation, and your English, are excellent.
> Very understandable considering how complex an issue it is.
> Thanks for taking the time to write it all out.
> 
> Don

Seconded.

mike

> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dario Bonazza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:36 AM
> > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > Subject: Re: Theory of Equivalency
> >
> >
> > There are two main reasons influencing the DOF when comparing
> > "equivalent"
> > focal lengths on different formats. They fight one against the other.
> >
> > 1) Aperture. This does not depend on the format the lenses are
> > designd for.
> > If you set the same f-stop (relative aperture), the absolute
> > aperture (the
> > hole) will be smaller in the shorter lens, thus giving more DOF. For this
> > reason, a 50mm lens used on APS format should show more DOF than
> > a 75mm on
> > 35mm format (regardless on the format they are designed for and provided
> > that both lenses are set on the same relative aperture).
> >
> > 2) Circle of confusion (a lens design parameter, different for different
> > formats, which limits resolution). On average, this depends on the format
> > the lenses are designd for. Details perceived as "in focus" and "out of
> > focus" depend on the print size, the distance you look at the picture and
> > your visual acuteness. So designers have to guess the average
> > condition and
> > use a circle of confusion complaint to this. Circle of confusion
> > matches the
> > smallest detail the lens is designed to resolve. When comparing
> > high-quality
> > lenses (allowing big blow-ups) the acceptable circle of confusion for a
> > smaller format is smaller than the circle for a lens designed to cover a
> > larger format because the lens for the smaller format is supposed to be
> > enlarged more. For this reason, larger formats gain resolution over a
> > smaller sizes, but not as much as you could expect by the difference in
> > their formats. So, when you use a MF lens on 35mm, you usually
> > get smaller
> > DOF that when using a lens of the same focal length designed for
> > 35mm. This
> > can also happen when using lenses designed for 35mm on APS
> > cameras (either
> > film or digi).
> > This does not happen when using lenses designed for that format (compact
> > digicams, Olympus 4/3, Pentax DA, Nikon DX, Canon EF-S).
> > For this reason, a 50mm lens used on APS format should show less
> > DOF than a
> > 75mm on 35mm format (provided that both lenses are designed for
> > 35mm and are
> > set on the same relative aperture).
> >
> > To make things more complicated, there's nothing forcing designers to use
> > the same circle of counfusion for any lens intended for a given
> > format. When
> > you say that lenses for smaller formats use smaller COF, you mean on
> > average. Any lens can have its own COF. Typically, macros are
> > designed with
> > a smaller COF (higher resolution) than portrait lenses, hence
> > macros suffer
> > less reduction in their DOF when used on smaller formats.
> >
> > Factors 1 and 2 fight one against the other. However, in practical use
> > factor 1 tends to win over factor 2, hence 35mm lenses used on APS format
> > have some extra DOF. But you cannot foresee how  much, any lens can be a
> > different case and I think that with some lenses factor 2 could
> > well balance
> > factor 1, giving about the same DOF. It is also possible that in some
> > instances (low-end zooms?) factor 2 prevails over factor 1,
> > giving less DOF
> > on the digital APS that the one on 35mm. BTW, this is what Pentax
> > write in
> > their DSLR manuals, advicing you to look at one stop more open on the DOF
> > scale of lenses bearing it (e.g. if you set f/8, consider the DOF
> > the scale
> > gives for f/5.6).
> >
> > In case of lenses designed for the smaller format, factor 2 does
> > not apply,
> > hence you have more DOF for sure (this is well visible on compact
> > digicams
> > equipped with good lenses).
> >
> > Not sure if I've been able to explain well the above concepts. If not,
> > please English-language folks come to the rescue.
> >
> > Dario
> 
> 


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