First lets get one thing straight. I am not saying anyone is a fool, not even you. 
Second that is clearly a quote notice the funny little marks ("). I chose not 
to direct quote it as it did not matter who said it.

One in the end uses what they chose to use, or are forced to use in the case of 
digital as you mentioned in another post.

My way is not "The Way", but it is about old skills that some folks who are on 
the list (there has to be at least one) may not be aware of.

I am sorry that so many folks here take a general post to 600 and read as direct critism of themselves. But since that seem to be the way it is I will say no more on the subject. In fact I think I will unsubscribe for a while.
graywolf
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"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Jul 21, 2005, at 12:13 PM, Graywolf wrote:

A. Focus screen optimized for brightness rather than accuracy.


That's true of the Canon 10D screen, but not of the Pentax *ist DS  screen.

B. Focus on the lens loose so the AF motor does not have to be too big, rather than optimized for smoothness and accuracy by hand.


Some makers lenses, and even some lenses in a given line, do this better than others. Pentax lenses are somewhat uneven in this regard. There are some that work very nicely, and others that are just kinda loose feeling.

C. Viewfinder image of low magnification.
And yes, I know that the newer cameras are a lot better than the older ones. It is now a little annoyance rather than a lot of annoyance, but it is still an annoyance.


I want an image that I can see, in its entirety, without having to move my eye around. The Pentax MX viewfinder has too much magnification for this. The *ist DS viewfinder is nearly perfect, just like my old favorite Nikon F3/T HP was.

... Exposure is the same way. "I select aperture priority, or shutter priority instead of worrying about exposure". ...


Only a fool says that. The way you say this posits that everyone in the world except those that agree with you are fools. That's kinda rude.

It becomes one of those things where you fiddle with the camera instead of taking the picture. ...


Nonsense.

The thing is, as Shel and others are trying to say, that once you have those skills the camera insisting that you prove you want to do what you want is an annoyance not a convenience.


I have all the skills you seem to say are exclusive to those who will only use simple cameras. Yet I find that the automation features on my cameras actually help me take better pictures, more fluidly. They do not annoy me, if the features are implemented in an ergonomic and useful way, which they are on the *ist DS and the Konica Minolta A2. (The Oly C8080WZ *was* a pain in the ass to work with, that's why I sold it.) And they don't get in the way when they are inappropriate to the circumstances either ... I just override what is no longer useful and do things the somewhat older, slower way.

Godfrey




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