Ah!  Now I'm sure we all agree.  Ain't that something?

John


On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:49:40 -0000, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Clarification...

the difference in images taken between the D variants and the difference in images taken with various Nikon bodies.

Tom C.






From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: *ist-DS saving zero-byte files occasionally.
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:43:03 -0700

I thought I pretty much said that. :-) I agree that if one goes out of the way to blow up the image in a large print, to the point where one can see a difference, they will find it.

I was talking more generally... take the same photo in all the same conditions, view it at a common hand-held size, and try to tell the difference.

Yes, it was a broad brush. I was more or less expanding on Godfrey's post that one cannot see the difference in images taken between the D variants and various Nikon bodies. I went a step futher. Even if a difference was cosnsistently evident, the quality of the image is subjective.

Tom C.



From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: *ist-DS saving zero-byte files occasionally.
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:24:21 -0000

This time I agree with Shel (assuming that he's thinking of b&w).

For colour, I suspect grain would give the game away on a large print. I'm not sure that scanning a negative and viewing the result on screen is fair. Both should be printed using the best technique available.

John

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 21:51:40 -0000, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It was intended to be a VERY broad brush. I simply disbelieve that by the time a given image makes it to print form, given the manipulations involved (including sharpening in the digital world), scanning and printing, exposing and printing, that it would be possible to draw a consistently accurate conclusion.

I'm sure at some size one will be able to detect a digital print vs. a wet darkroom variety, but that would only be identifying the process used, not the camera or the lens. I'm absolutely positive it would be impossible to tell which camera was used to take an image when it comes to viewing a digitized version of the image. If I went and shot a roll of film and scanned it, displayed the image, and stated that it was taken with the *ist D, you/anybody would have no recourse but to believe me.


Tom C.






From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: *ist-DS saving zero-byte files occasionally.
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:34:50 -0800

That's a statement painted with a very broad brush ...and I disagree with
it.

Shel
"You meet the nicest people with a Pentax"


> [Original Message]
> From: Tom C

> I would venture to say that no one could see the difference between a
print
> resulting from the *ist D and one taken with the K1000...
>
>
> Tom C.











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