In a message dated 7/23/01 3:32:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << *MY* 70~200 plus 2x adapter (Kalimar) is WAY too slow, so I'm considering a mirror lens (plus I won't need to run out & buy a TiltAll tri-pod to support a mile-long lens). >> I'd recommend against using a 2X with the f/4 Cosmicar. But your assertion the combination is "slow" is right but with faster film (unless there you feel you ~must~ shoot ISO 100 or slower film), just doesn't hold water. I often used f/8 mirror lenses at air shows, dialing in the 1/2 stop compensation in the camera. Otherwise, mirror lenses must be used on tripods/monopds and with deep (2"+) lens hoods. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .