Kenneth Waller wrote:
There were definite power surges without any throttle application by me,
Ok, so where did the extra air & spark come from to ignite with the
extra fuel?
The surges were not severe but they did produce secondary adrenaline
surges when they occurred in close traffic
Ok, were they controllable by application of the brake?
The cause was given to me by the Automobile Association patrolmen who
attended
I guess they should have told that to the several governments that
investigated the issue.
Kenneth Waller
Ken, I don't want to get into a big debate about this. I know what
happened to me but it appears you are talking about something different
- much more violent than what I experienced. The explanation I received
made perfect sense to me. If it doesn't for you, there is not much I
can do about it. WRT the phenomenon you are talking about, there was an
incident in this town with a runaway bus that was attributed to the
problem, at least by the driver. There have been numerous reports of
the same problem with other examples of the same bus. Here's one:
http://www.crawleytoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=496&ArticleID=730454
mike
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Subject: Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
Kenneth Waller wrote:
We're not talking about the same phenomenon. You use the term surge -
generally interpreted as short duration & slight to moderate
acceleration.
The typical sudden accel event that I've been involved with is a
longer duration event that appears to duplicate a wide open throttle
event & most times is purported to not be controllable with the brake
application.
With the fuel injection systems that I'm familiar with the throttle
body acts as an air valve, which is controlled by your right foot.
Fuel is controlled by the engine processor & is added to the
combustion process based on the position of the throttle. Air, fuel &
spark must be combined at specific ratios for correct combustion to
be obtained. Too much fuel & the engine runs rich & doesn't produce
optimum power. Too little fuel & the engine runs lean & doesn't
produce optimum power.
Additionally, what you're talking about is taking place outside the
combustion chamber. I don't see how that has anything to do with the
production of engine power.
Kenneth Waller
The fuel has to go through the engine to get to the cat, so will
affect power output. The stoichimetric ratio is an ideal, probably
never achieved in practice throughout the combustion chamber, so extra
fuel could produce more power. There were definite power surges
without any throttle application by me, in situations where I could
believe the cat was not at proper temperature. The cause was given
to me by the Automobile Association patrolmen who attended. They had,
at that point in the early 1990s, had numerous calls about the problem.
The surges were not severe but they did produce secondary adrenaline
surges when they occured in close traffic.
m
----- Original Message ----- From: "mike wilson"
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Subject: Re: Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Most major auto manufacturers have been sued with sudden accel as the
allegation.
I've experienced this with a couple of vehicles. As far as I could
ascertain, it was a function of the fuel delivery system to deliver
excess fuel if the catalytic converter temperature fell below a
threshhold. The unburnt fuel reacted in the cat and raised the
temperature - a byproduct was a small surge in acceleration, rather
like the one you feel when the injectors kick back in on the overrun
to generate idle speed but much more prolonged and at any throttle
opening.
mike
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