Except for the fact that I never stated that your question was correct. -Adam
J. C. O'Connell wrote: > No, I did lie and I am not a liar. I DID > Ask you why you used M42 lenses stopped > Down all the time ( which was a mistake > Because you didn't say that ) but you > Answered it anyway without any protest > which is what perpetuated The questioning! > The matter would have been dropped much > Earlier if you hadnt basically agreed > To my question as being correct. > jco > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Adam Maas > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:51 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT > > Since you claimed I said something, then used your post to back up the > claim (Depsite me proving I said no such thing). You are most definitely > > a liar. > > -Adam > > > J. C. O'Connell wrote: >> I am not a liar. I responded to MY question "( Why do you >> Use M42 bodies and lenses stopped down ALL the time"). >> With that it was faster. Those were your words not mine. >> >> Secondly, you never stated you needed to see DOF >> All the time, most sane people just check it and >> Go back to wide open to compose and shoot. >> >> Lastly, even if I made a mistake ( which ALL people do >> >From time to time ) regarding whether you said most >> Or all, it doesn't make me a liar, it makes me mistaken >> Which is a big difference. >> >> JCO >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of >> Adam Maas >> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 2:54 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT >> >> My disinclination to correct your misstatement does not mean that I >> stated it is so, especially when I'd stated immediately upthread how I > >> actually did use it. So you are using your own statement as your proof > >> that I said something, making you a fucking liar (not that that was in > >> doubt previously, given your refusal to admit to your own statements > on >> why old lenses should be supported when WR pointed out a major >> conttradiction in your position). >> >> And focusing and composing stopped down can be faster, since focusing >> speed is pretty much the same from wide open to stopped down 1-2 stops > >> and I don't have to pause and use the DoF stop-down to confirm DoF and > >> adjust focus to meet DoF requirements. Of course, this only applies to > >> bodies which can operate in both modes, like M42 bodies or Mamiya > 645's. >> -Adam >> >> >> J. C. O'Connell wrote: >>> I specifically asked you WHY WHY WHY you did >>> It all the time (that was my error) and you replied because its >>> Faster, you didn't correct me and say you >>> Did it some or most of the time with your >>> Reply at that time so blame doesn't go only my way on this. >>> Secondly, its not faster anytime is it? >>> How is focussing and composing with the lens >>> Aperture Closed EVER faster when you have an open >>> Aperture body and lens? >>> jco >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >> Of >>> Adam Maas >>> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:17 PM >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> Subject: Re: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT >>> >>> Actually, I just dug through my sent mail folder to find out exactly >>> what I had said on the issue. I did NOT say 'all the time', I said >> this: >>> "Hell, I don't even use auto-aperture function on my M42 lenses most >> of >>> the time on my M42 bodies (yeah, I still shoot with a Chinon CM-3 on >>> occasion, and even more rarely with my Spotty). >>> >>> -Adam " >>> >>> So, JCO, do I get an apology about you putting words in my mouth > (Even >>> if you did misuse that phrase as well) or are you just a liar? >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> >>> Adam Maas wrote: >>>> No, aparently you are unfamiliar with the general usage of the > phrase >>>> 'all the time', which means 'on a regular basis'. >>>> >>>> -Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> J. C. O'Connell wrote: >>>>> See , you changed your story. You initially stated >>>>> You shot stopped down ALL THE TIME which was the >>>>> Very reason I pressed on the matter because it was >>>>> Senseless way to opertate. >>>>> jco >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf >>> Of >>>>> Adam Maas >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:54 AM >>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> Subject: Re: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT >>>>> >>>>> Except, based on the caveats I gave (Close to wide open, in good >>> light), >>>>> your arguments are incorrect. >>>>> >>>>> Your arguments are only correct for small apertures and low light. >> IN >>>>> which case, I focus wide open. And I rarely do the former, ant >>> typically >>>>> use my open-aperture only gear for the latter. >>>>> >>>>> -Adam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> J. C. O'Connell wrote: >>>>>> It is NOT faster to focus stopped down, the wider DOF and dimmer >>> image >>>>>> Makes it HARDER not easier to focus accurately. Why >>>>>> Do you think auto aperture cameras and lenses were developed >>>>>> Way back in the 50's? Because its easier and faster way >>>>>> To work. I know because I have been using those cameras >>>>>> For years and years too. Less DOF means easier focus. Period. >>>>>> I am not arguing how he works, I am arguing the REASON >>>>>> He gave. >>>>>> jco >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf >>>>> Of >>>>>> Shel Belinkoff >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 12:56 AM >>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> Subject: RE: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT >>>>>> >>>>>> You're just making a fool of yourself. What hubris to tell > someone >>>>> how >>>>>> they choose to photograph or use their gear is wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me tell you something ... I don't know how old you are or how >>> long >>>>>> you've been photographing, but I'm willing to wager you're not as >>> old >>>>> as >>>>>> I >>>>>> and that you've not been photographing as long either. When I > shot >>>>> with >>>>>> Spotties back in the late sixties, I'd often shoot with the lens >>>>> stopped >>>>>> down, and depending on the lens, light, and scene, I'd shoot @ 5.6 >>> or >>>>>> 8.0. >>>>>> I knew EXACTLY what I was doing. Shooting that way could be fast >>> and >>>>>> accurate. With the better finders of today - brighter and more >>>>>> contrasty - >>>>>> it's even easier to shoot in that manner. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, YOU don't have to see it. It's what Adam sees that >>> matters. >>>>>> To call someone you don't know stupid and a liar here in a public >>>>> forum >>>>>> shows more about you and your character than you probably want us >> to >>>>>> know. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> [Original Message] >>>>>>> From: J. C. O'Connell >>>>>>> See my last post, your reason for doing so is flawed >>>>>>> And there are other reasons why its worse too. >>>>>>> jco >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> Adam Maas >>>>>>> John, You Ignorant Slut, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's quicker and I can see what's in focus at all times. Simple > as >>>>>> that. >>>>>>> Just because you don't, doesn't mean I can't. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J. C. O'Connell wrote: >>>>>>>> When the thread title is stupid I am going to comment on it. >>>>>>>> Secondly why havent you told us WHY WHY WHY you shoot with >>>>>>>> M42 auto-aperture lenses and bodies stopped down all the time? >>>>>>>> I don't believe it, either your stupid for doing so or your >>>>>>>> A liar for saying so unless you have some good explanation >>>>>>>> For doing so which I simply cant imagine as I am a LONG TIME >>>>>>>> User of M42 bodies and lenses and that makes no sense whatsoever >>>>>>>> To me at this point. I'd love to hear your reason for doing so. >>>>>>>> Maybe there is something I am missing but I cant see it. >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
