Graywolf wrote: >I understand British build cars with Lucus starters had them up into the 50's <grin>.
Certainly my 1981 Land-Rover had a starting handle and I was pleased to have it (Lucas, Prince of Darkness comments or not!) . Likewise, in my current Defender, I'm delighted I can still have wind up windows, no central locking and not have built in, or be able to specify out, a wide range of expensive and quite unnecessary 'toys'. This will be a problem for me next time around as manufacturers seem obliged to fit loads of buttons and whizzy bits in everything from the basic model up. The same applies to cameras. Most of it you don't need. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net