All this from a snowflake. Miracles exist.

As to God, well, whatever suits. ...

G

On Oct 27, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Gonz wrote:
> ... Of course, its still useful (logic).  But it (science/math) can  
> never be
> complete, and the incompleteness theorem never defines the limits, it
> just says for any axiomatic system, there is true stuff about it that
> cannot be proven, hence it is a fact outside the axiomatic system.
>
> I.e. if God is a true fact outside our axiomatic system, then science
> can never prove nor disprove God. As the presumed designer of the
> system, we have essentially defined God to be outside of the system.
>
> It seems to me this was intentional on God's part, i.e. faith would  
> not
> be necessary if you could prove God's existance or if He was here  
> among
> us.  The real mystery is then why would God make faith a necessary
> precondition?  Genuine relationships are based on faith and trust. ...


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