First versions got about 60 miles, the secopnd version did about twice that.
-Adam Kenneth Waller wrote: > FWIW, I read somewhere that in real life, the GM electrics got somewhat less > than 100 miles on a charge. > > Kenneth Waller > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > > >> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >>> On Nov 24, 2006, at 9:58 PM, Adam Maas wrote: >>> >>>> Note that GM didn't want to build the thing in the first place. >>> They didn't. They fought the concept all the way, even though the >>> EV-1 was an exceptionally good car. I did drive a couple of them. It >>> was stable, handled beautifully, was quick and comfortable. Given >>> that the infrastructure for their use was put in place (and is still >>> in place !!!), even the 125 mile range per charge was not a big deal. >>> Even long commute folks here run average mileages that make it quite >>> reasonable to run to work and do incremental charging during the day >>> when parked. >> 125 mile range is useful only as a commuter, and even that's iffy in >> many places (125 mile commutes aren't unheard of here in Southern >> Ontario). That essentially makes it a second car (As people will want to >> drive longer distances in one go). a 250 mile range would make it far >> more useful, but still limited. >> >>> Do you spend two to three hours a day driving? Few people do. 125 >>> miles represents about three to four hours of use per day. 250-300 >>> miles represents five to six hours driving every day. No, it doesn't >>> satisfy *all* needs. But it satisfies enough for a viable vehicle for >>> about 90% of the market. >>> >>>> The fact that a much later product from another company worked >>>> better is >>>> irrelevant to the discussion, >>> Sure it is. The EV-1 worked just as well as the RAV4 EV. The >>> technology involved is quite similar. >> Similar, but the RAV4's are a generation newer, with better battery >> tech. And based on a production platform unlike the EV1, which makes >> them a lot cheaper to build and support. >> >>>> as is the fact that GM didn't support a >>>> 3rd party who made a powerplant replacement. >>> A company developed a battery package specifically applicable to the >>> electric cars. GM bought the company and refused to release the >>> batteries for use in EV-1. That's not "refusing to support a third >>> party company products", that's quashing the technology. >> Ah, didn't know that. I agree. >> >>>> GM's in the business of selling cars. If they thought EV1's were >>>> viable >>>> products, they wouldn't have killed it. >>> Guess you never heard of politics, eh? >> Oh, I know politics. Politics is what stuck GM with the EV1 in the first >> place. >> >>>> Part of the issue is that unless >>>> battery technology changes dramatically, Electric Vehicles simply will >>>> not be viable in much of the US (California being a major exception). >>>> Batteries simply don't hold a charge well in sub-zero centigrade >>>> weather. >>> Not entirely false, but not entirely true either. And who said that >>> they would have to produce ONLY electric cars? If you had ever driven >>> one, you'd be much better informed about why people felt so >>> passionately about them. >>> >>> On the other hand, this conversation is beginning to approach typical >>> "film vs digital" debate levels .. >>> >>> Godfrey >>> >>> >> I'll just note that a car that's essentially warm weather only would >> have a very restricted market in the First World (essentially the >> southern US, Southern Europe and maybe New Zealand). One that's a >> commuter and warm weather only has an even smaller market. I think >> electric cars are a nice idea,and a niche product that will eventually >> find a (small) market, but the hybrid solves most of the same problems >> with far fewer downsides. >> >> I'm expecting hybrids to move more towards electrics with onboard >> charging as battery capacity increases though. >> >> -Adam >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
